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That is rather disturbing but this had me lol:

> Spain is “making a big mistake,” said Bart Groothuis [...] “Spain is now dependent on the country with the largest and most sophisticated offensive espionage program directed against us.”

I highly doubt he's naive enough to believe the "against us" qualifier exempts the operator of the largest and most sophisticated offensive espionage program ever.

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> I do agree blocking Palantir is a good move

Why? I'm not an expert and have only googled a bit, but I can't figure out what the specific objection to Palantir is.

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did you hit up wikipedia? the controversies section would be a start. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir#Controversies
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Well the CEO doing a public speaking tour where he sounds like a complete lunatic probably isn't helping...https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gjkj7975po
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I think in general people are a bit distrusting of a tech firm headed by billionaires with deep political ties that sells AI driven surveillance state technology to governments
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> I can't figure out what the specific objection to Palantir is.

You have to be trolling, a single online search tells you how the company CEO is the textbook definition of technofascism. Take a look at his manifesto if you don’t know

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So the objections to Palantir are political? I know nothing about Spanish politics so I assume that makes sense in the Spanish political context. This helps explain why I can't find a specific concrete concern, it sounds more vibes-based. Thank you!
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Generally this is correct. Some key investors and executives in Palantir are Republicans. That's the core problem, allegations like "technofascism" are ultimately just partisan politics when you get to the root of it.
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That's ridiculous. All he espouses is that all of this stuff is going to happen and so you might was well do it right (with Palantir).
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What is this in reference to? Karp has said that US tech companies should be more willing to work with military and intelligence agencies. By that standard, though, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Booz Allen Hamilton, heck even Microsoft are all supporters of "technofascism".
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> heck even Microsoft are all supporters of "technofascism"

no one in their right mind is going to argue with that, not sure what your point is

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Microsoft, a company mostly centered in the Pacific Northwest, is not exactly full of right wingers: https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/microsoft-corp/summary?id=d...
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> By that standard, though, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Booz Allen Hamilton, heck even Microsoft are all supporters of "technofascism".

certainly! fascism requires industry that cooperates with the state to produce the means of control; these are all companies that do exactly that!

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By this logic, Ford and Boeing were contributing to technofascism when they were building tanks and planes for the Allies in WWII.

I don't think that most would agree with your understanding of technofascism.

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Can’t form a COMINTERN if the US is watching.
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If the data is encrypted before the upload I see no problem
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Huawei is the complete data custodian. They are the ones doing the encrypting.
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As opposed to what? American servers with Isreali backdoors?
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How about Spanish servers?

I will never understand this helplessness that comes from these European countries. They are choosing to be dependent on foreign powers.

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You know, we all thought you were allies. But you tricked us well.
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It's expensive to home-grow your own solutions and if you try transitioning too many services at once the cost will be outrageous and you'll probably open other security holes. I am glad Spain is taking this step and I hope they continue this trend - but outright refusing to use any software built abroad requires a massive investment in domestic tech. That investment would likely pay economic dividends but it is a cost that needs to be measured against other investments Spain needs to make and in Spain's case resilience against global warming is especially important.
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> In political science, the term banana republic describes a politically and economically unstable country with an economy dependent upon the export of natural resources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic

What natural resource export is Spain’s economy dependent upon?

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I don't have any insight into what to call it right now, but I thought for several decades after WWII it was still fascist? If anything being a banana republic might not be as as bad as what it used to be
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i knew it was a little while after WWII (college history was long, long ago!) but didn't realize it was ... 1975-1977!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_transition_to_democrac...

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I did a whole Wikipedia deep dive on this several months ago. I vaguely remembered hearing how long it took for it to switch back, but the history around it is kind of fascinating; the son of the previous king was groomed to be the successor of Francisco Franco, and I guess he did a good enough job convincing him that he was ideologically in agreement so that the power was passed to him, which he then used to reinstate a republican form of government.
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