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The EU did not ban 8K TV’s, this is a very misleading spin. They put energy consumption restrictions some TV’s violated years ago. Manufacturers have already responded with more efficient TV’s, which actually means the restriction is working as intended towards a good outcome IMO. You can absolutely buy 8K TV’s in Europe.

No EU country has banned air conditioning either.

Where are you getting this information?

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A ban on desktop PC components over a certain power threshold (300W) or PSUs would definitely affect local AI, and Europe is not a big enough market, nor has it's own internal supply chains to offer alternatives.

This has been done in the EU/UK in the past (hoovers/vacuum cleaners) so the mechanism exists.

I'm in the UK and support your direction.

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> would definitely affect local AI

And not only. Given your example with 300W, it will affect even things like (somewhat advanced) home servers, (mostly) personal self-hosting machines and even just gaming PCs. That would affect way too much, if I understood your thought correctly.

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Those people seem to have installed multiple outdoor units, there are limited numbers you are allowed to do without getting planning permission (two for detached housing, one for semi, nothing by default for flats) because these things have impacts on those nearby.

The telegraph is an awful rag, and should be read assuming the facts are probably true as written but interpreted in an incredibly biased way.

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So you are only allowed to use goverment approved models for local LLM, of reasonable size (lets say 8GB vram). And gov can inspect your local data any time.

But that is not a ban on local LLMs!

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That’s wildly different, and if you want to invent things and then get mad at them you can, but the rules on ac are because the outside part has an impact on your neighbours.
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The UK did not ban AC. Don't read the Telegraph, and if you do, don't trust it.

Source: I live there

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Wasn't this a case of people fitting window-mounted units without realising they needed planning permission first? I'm also in the UK.
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I think so, or even more permanent ones. since it’s London I assume flats where you need permission for any number of outdoor units but it’s then one for semi detached and two for detached houses - one of the examples in the article is someone with three outdoor units afaict.
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AC is not banned in Germany, but it is unGerman to have one.
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I feel like that changed in the last 2-4 years, coinciding with the advent of heatpumps in Germany.
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The UK is not part of the EU and no EU nation - nor the UK - has banned AC. You said EU nations have banned AC when none have, this statement is false.

8K tv’s are not banned. You can buy one right now in the EU. So this statement is also false.

The telegraph is a tabloid rag full of false claims dressed up in truth they’ve taken great lengths to keep slivers of so I can’t explicitly call them “liars.” But the truth is they are functionally lying, as evidenced by your insisting something is banned that isn’t.

Unless you can point to these bans this is false information.

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> chinese models without safety filters (it could be used to create software exploits)

Any decent coding setup can create software exploits. That bird has flown.

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Awkward realities never stopped a determined legislator.
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Here are some 8k television sets for sale within the EU:

https://www.elgiganten.se/tv-ljud-smart-hem/tv-tillbehor/tv/...

It is common for politicians and government agencies to advise lowering electricity consumption during demand peaks or apply regulation to permanent installations on the outside of homes, but it's not like stores are forbidden to sell mobile cooling units or electricity being rationed here.

Where I live most people use heat pumps for indoor climate, air-air, air-water and geothermal-water are common, and a neighbour produces heat pump collectors for use in water. In general this means we either already have cooling or can relatively cheaply install it. Some people burn wood or wood pellets for heating, it's common that they also have an air-air heat pump for cooling during summer.

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