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> This thing has no practical purpose.

This is wrong. OpenWRT is fostering several manufacturers that are using OpenWRT as the factory platform for their products. This is a reference design (one of several, this particular one from 2024 is now dated and newer designs are available,) provided by OpenWRT, and they've thoughtfully made it available to anyone that might want one: you can just go buy some with no NDA bullshit and get your developers moving in your lab or doing UI development or whatever. The not-cost-optimized PCB is what you want for this, in addition to the ample RAM+Flash. The "useless" POE is another aspect of this: access points use POE ubiquitously, which is a key OpenWRT use case.

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This sources PoE using a third-party daughter board which is mechanically way too big to package into any production access point. So no, that part of a reference design would never be used.

> get your developers moving in your lab or doing UI development or whatever

This is what the industry has been clamoring for among a sea of existing hardware: More garbage UIs glued atop of copy-pasted forgotten hardware.

I am an engineering manager. My job is to poke holes in money-burning projects.

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> I am an engineering manager.

Strange. A good engineering manager would see that "way too big" PoE daughter board design as exactly what one would want in a reference design that will be used to test and integrate your preferred PoE solution. Power product life cycles are so short and availability problems so frequent that a good engineering manager knows that their engineers will be reworking power solutions with some regularity.

A good engineering manager would also know that UI development for commercial products is not optional. The engineering manager will expect that marketing will want branding at the very least, that differentiating features will need to be surfaced, etc., and that all of this will need to be integrated into build, test and the package system, and QA'd on real hardware. Basic stuff for an engineering manager.

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There are no cheap commodity routers that can run OpenWrt, have modern Wi-Fi features, and are reasonably available (in the sense that you could buy one if your router fails).

OpenWrt is vastly superior to the proprietary software in commodity routers. Proprietary software gates software features behind more expensive models, even though the cheap hardware can handle them.

You also get software updates. Your hardware doesn't become a paperweight when the manufacturer refuses to fix a known, actively exploited vulnerability.

You'll get new features, for free.

> You're not attaching this monstrosity to the ceiling. I would hide it, but whatever.

The enclosure is open source as well. You can build/print your own enclosure if you'd prefer, or get any enclosure for the Banana Pi BPI-R4.

They can't just ship a board without an enclosure, because it won't pass certifications.

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For a around two years there, the dynalink dl-wrx36 was selling between $50 & $85 for comparable/better hardware. Still running a pair with an nss-enabled fork. Still effortlessly maxes out a gigabit fiber line with qosify.

Configured it so the 2.5gbe port connects towards the lan where a cheap wifi 7 AP can broadcast the additional signal if anything feel like it needs it. But practically speaking nothing does.

While the openwrt one was a decent experiment, it was far from the only hardware in the price range that had stellar openwrt support before/after it came out. And one thing people seem to forget about with a lot of options (like banana pi options) is that the range & falloff can be terrible. The openwrt two is apparently delayed & going with a different manufacturer.

Openwrt is great if you are willing to customize the software especially. The fact that it can be used as an actual wifi client in a pinch is also a lifesaver.

Long-long term availability is a different problem, but different manufacturers move on.

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> Dynalink DL-WRX36

Not available outside the US :(

> Long-long term availability is a different problem, but different manufacturers move on.

Open hardware solves this. You've been able to buy the OpenWrt One from China and ship it anywhere in the world for a reasonable price, every single day since it was released, even when there were better options available. If no one's selling, there are factories willing to make very tiny batches.

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Open hardware is nice. I love that you can take a commodity router and claw back some control, but why not start with that control in the first place?
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But you can already do that with existing hardware that is 4x capable at the same price point, and runs OpenWRT.

A reference platform makes no sense for OpenWRT as by its nature it runs on dozens upon dozens of different hardware, all which are different and must be tested independently.

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It will take time to build up to a point where it's competitive on paper, it's insane that you're comparing a first-gen product from a rag-tag crew to the hardware produced by behemoths that have thousands of engineers and billions of dollars to play with.

Where my use cases don't permit it I won't use this, but if it fits I would rather buy an open-hardware device at ~10x the price of an equivalent proprietary device not out of charity but because that is how much more value it provides to me at equivalent hardware performance.

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Which hardware is 4x capable at the same price point and runs OpenWRT?
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The government wants ban the "cheap commodity hardware" you speak of because they're having a hard time putting backdoors into routers that are already pwned by the Chinese: https://www.fcc.gov/faqs-recent-updates-fcc-covered-list-reg...

We'll have to make our own hardware. The value of open-source hardware is not limited to repairability. We want the entire digital communication hardware + software stack to be transparent and fully reproducible. These open-source efforts will eventually include the ASIC designs, and designs for the fab production line that makes the ASICs.

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> Inexplicably can be powered via PoE, makes no sense if its purpose is to hang off your ISP's gateway

No, this is supposed to replace the ISP-provided junk entirely. It will save you money and close a nasty backdoor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TR-069).

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I think the purpose is to have a simple to hack on reference platform for developers. The problem with commodity hardware is the super short lifecycles (many of them stop selling before theres an OpenWRT port), they are locked down and the manufacturers will frequently make tons of internal revisions.
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