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by luma1 days ago |
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upvoteby vincnetas1 days ago|
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why do you call paying someone legally a "bribe" ?
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upvoteby koiueo1 days ago|
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Paying government to make laws allowing you to gain extra profits – lobbying (not a bribe)

Paying mandatory but arbitrary amount to a restaurant on top of your bill – tips (not a hidden fee).

Paying someone an official salary – a bribe.

American logic

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upvoteby Cthulhu_1 days ago|
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Our Glorious Leader <-> Their Wicked Despot comic comes to mind.
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upvoteby ericmay1 days ago|
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In the US we sometimes use the term “bribe” in morally neutral or even positive situations.

It just means giving someone money or a different incentive to convince them to do something they weren’t going to do or were undecided but considering doing and the extra incentive is the catalyst for making the decision.

We also have the legal concept of a bribe but the OP probably wasn’t using it in the legal sense - I.e. accusing the Netherlands of doing something illegal.

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upvoteby Lutger1 days ago|
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The money isn't really for the researchers personally, but for doing the research. They are merely offered a job at a time where their jobs are on the line in the USA. And not even that, they still have to apply and compete with top researchers from other parts of the world. Really hard to call that a bribe, even in a morally neutral way. At most you could say the Netherlands - and other European countries - are taking advantages of the situation where the USA is abandoning their top researchers.

But for years it has been the other way around. Top talent from the Netherlands has been moving to the US in order to get funding (and a bigger salary).

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upvoteby ericmay1 days ago|
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The OP is using the terms incentive and bribe interchangeably. People do that in the US all the time. I don't think anyone really thinks it is wrong or morally disagreeable what the Netherlands is doing nor are they using the term in the legal sense. I was just explaining why someone might have used that term, obviously the OP probably should speak for themselves though in case they did mean it in the legal sense or something.
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upvoteby nyeah1 days ago|
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Sometimes. But bribery is also a crime, so using that word invites comment.
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upvoteby ericmay1 days ago|
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It's called slang in the United States.

Someone might say "dang they absolutely murdered that slice (I'm watching Wimbledon right now)". Nobody thinks well murdering is a crime, I need to go and comment on how the word murder is used inappropriately here.

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upvoteby LastTrain1 days ago|
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No we don’t.
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upvoteby jasonlotito1 days ago|
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> In the US we sometimes use the term “bribe” in morally neutral or even positive situations.

I live here in the US. I've NEVER heard the term bribe in a neutral or even positive way. It might be used in a mocking way, as if to mock the idea of bribes, but never seriously.

So, unless you are confusing that mocking nature as morally neutral or even positive, this is incorrect.

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upvoteby wccrawford1 days ago|
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I also live in the US. It's uncommon, but is used that way sometimes.
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upvoteby hilariously1 days ago|
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If you want to use a thing utterly incorrectly sometimes get ready to be met with confused responses.
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upvoteby panzagl1 days ago|
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You've never heard a parent or teacher say they bribed their kids for good behavior?
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upvoteby mrguyorama1 days ago|
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Never in a morally neutral or positive way!

You "Bribe" your kid with extra time on the iPad. You don't "Bribe" them with wholesome things.

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upvoteby jasonlotito1 days ago|
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Not in a serious way, no (hence my 'mocking' commentary). It's always playing off the joke or idea of "bribe". But if someone said "I bribed a police officer" wouldn't take it as a joke.

Edit: And to be clear, I wouldn't describe either of those are "morally neutral or even positive situations."

But please, by all means tell me how "Foo Company bribed professional Bar" is used positively and frequently enough that the gp makes sense.

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upvoteby floatrock1 days ago|
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right, the proper term is "incentive", "tax break", or "economic development fund"
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upvoteby tgv1 days ago|
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Then the US used to bribe our researchers. It's tit-for-tat in this case.
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upvoteby Cthulhu_1 days ago|
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I for one am still waiting for US tech companies to bribe me to come work for them.
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