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by attila-lendvai5 hours ago |
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upvoteby 18 minutes ago|
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upvoteby bluescrn3 hours ago|
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War requires industry. But we've deindustrialised and outsourced the manufacture of almost everything to China.
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upvoteby throwaway274482 hours ago|
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Gee maybe they should prepare to avoid war then
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upvoteby bluescrn1 hours ago|
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They thought climate change was the next war-level crisis, and worked towards that. They didn't anticipate the Ukraine invasion, or the Middle East blowing up again.
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upvoteby joe_mamba2 hours ago|
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That's why the EU is a neutral pushover bowing down to the whims and tantrum of US, China, Iran, India, Turkey, etc. because a lot of their industry, energy, exports/imports are from those countries so any disputes would be devastating to the EU economy.

They're trying to avoid any conflict since they have no energy and hard power to counter any confrontations, so they smile and nod to anything happening worldwide or push some stern words about "monitoring the situation" to social media, depending on the situation.

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upvoteby ajsnigrutin3 hours ago|
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And then stop people from being able to afford cheaper stuff from china (without european middlemen) by implementinh a 3eur customs fee on an 1eur phone case!
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upvoteby greenavocado3 hours ago|
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They will rapidly reindustrialize when the first shots are fired. The EU's goal is the strategic defeat of Russia. What the common people think or want is irrelevant. All environmental and climate legislation that gets in the way will be waivered indefinitely until the war is over 5+ years of drone warfare and 100s of thousands dead.
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upvoteby bluescrn3 hours ago|
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The drone war will be quite limited by chip production.

And once the chip fabs have been bombed, civilisation is set by by decades, and may end up fighting a lower-tech war.

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upvoteby elictronic1 hours ago|
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There are thousands of strikes per day today. The chips needed to control a drone are not the same high cost ones needed for data centers or otherwise. Older fabs work just fine and countries can just eat into their other industries.

Beyond this, if you start attacking neutral fabs you lose out on anything from them. Your expectations are quite a bit off if you think striking fabs stops a conflict.

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upvoteby greenavocado3 hours ago|
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There are many fabs using "last year's" fab processes for defense purposes. Wouldn't be surprised if they had quick and easy way to set up fabs for chip weapons production in bombed out buildings and warehouses. Defense doesn't need civilian fabs. In the end, we, the civilians, stand to lose tremendously.
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upvoteby joe_mamba2 hours ago|
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>They will rapidly reindustrialize when the first shots are fired.

By WHO?! Russia is still stuck in 1/4 of the Ukraine and fear mongers make it sound like they're about to reach Paris any day now.

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upvoteby dismalaf4 hours ago|
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War is less imminent now than ever. Ukraine has caused a ton of damage to Russia and at this point the Kremlin has more to worry about than EU countries (pretty much every Russian government ever is brought down from within).

No, leftist governments in the EU have failed to provide prosperity and failed in all their promises, now they're going for total control to try to stay in power.

Look at France, as soon as Le Pen was cleared to run for the presidency they start talking about anti "misinformation" laws...

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upvoteby eagleal3 hours ago|
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> War is less imminent now than ever

You can always make your enemy. Current rearming efforts really remind historians of WW1 arm races.

At some point once so much interests and offers are at stake, that creating the demand is inevitable and just a matter of time.

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upvoteby throwaway274482 hours ago|
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It's true. Rearming and mobilizing troops will cause a reciprocal reaction in your neighbors. Whether or not war is or was imminent is irrelevant; europe will manifest it regardless.
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upvoteby gambiting4 hours ago|
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I don't share this outlook, sadly - given that military figures especially around the Eastern side of EU keep saying military conflict with Russia is "inevitable" in the next 4 years. Of course - they are in the military, their job is specifically to look at the worst case scenarios. But I wouldn't be so sure the risk is not there.
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upvoteby dismalaf4 hours ago|
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I do think there's the possibility Russia attacks a NATO country in an attempt to save face. I don't think they have the manpower or equipment to sustain an assault that would require any level of mobilization from EU countries.
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upvoteby pohuing3 hours ago|
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Leftist? Look at who voted for this before spewing such bullshit[1]. This is on socdems and conservatives. The whole reason this was up for vote again is because the conservative commission ignored the rules and scheduled it.

[1] https://xcancel.com/NXT4EU/status/2075193290215805042

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upvoteby dismalaf2 hours ago|
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"Conservative" parties in the EU are largely left by US standards... Like, Macron is conservative by Euro standards but Le Pen is obviously way further right.

The point is that the actual far right is rising all over Europe and will likely be ascendant in the next round of elections, the establishment is trying to stay in power.

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upvoteby modo_mario3 hours ago|
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I presume hes using it as a shitty euphemism for pro mass migration. Conservative governments have kind of taken side on that front despite rethoric (see Boris wave of the conservatives, CDU and such)
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upvoteby pohuing3 hours ago|
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But this keeps being spearheaded by Danes, who in recent times aren't particularly pro immigration...
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