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> And that's exactly the thing that somehow never happened in the Rust ecosystem. I always joke that the Rust ecosystem has more OpenGL bindings than developers, because there's just so many low quality bindings or wrappers out there that the ecosystem in result got too noisy to maintain.

Rust seems to attract a lot of horizontal programming. I have done mainly that so far and I LOVE Rust for it.

AIUI, horizontal programming is fully building out each abstraction before you start building on top of it, as opposed to vertical programming, which generally seeks to accomplish the task as directly and straightforwardly as possible, and only abstract if needed.

This leads to things like the proliferation of bindings, abstraction layers, frameworks etc. with little downstream users to show for it. And often little influence from experience using them. Sometimes very technically impressive but otherwise not always fleshed out to the point of being practically usable.

I am sure there's tons of toxicity all over the place too but I chalk it up to differing mindsets / patterns of development.

by samuell10 hours ago|

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As much as I'm put away by the dependency horror I've seen in many Rust projects, this is an interesting observation.

by LoganDark10 hours ago|

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There are many dependency horrors of Rust, especially in larger projects, but I will say I've never been particularly put off by community-maintained crates that are free to make breaking changes for correctness or flexibility. Things like `temporal-rs` feel like a huge win, even given the long tail of crates with outdated dependencies (or overly-rigid APIs, etc.), and I tend to agree with Rust's smaller standard library.

For example, std's linked list seems rarely useful for anything but scripting, and could've easily been a crate. I don't think it's egregious or anything, it's just a bit meh. I don't really use Rust for scripting though (I usually use zsh or TypeScript), so maybe it's super valuable in specific cases.

by phplovesong12 hours ago|

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There is also many compile to Go languages today, that add many befefits from the MLs with still 100% Go interrop. I would say lisette is probably the one that has most momentum right now.