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Just this morning I was trying to scrape nitter, for funsies. One hour and neither gemini nor kimi were able to write something working, despite trying selenium (or playwright), beautiful soup, and a specific library that can be used to scrape it.

I eventually read the library docs and managed to build a scraper for what I wanted in a few mins. Llms are great for a lot of things, but sometimes you stumble in something that's just outside of what they know/can do and you're sol. And of all the thinks, I didn't expect they would fail at this, to be honest the opposite

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gemini is a terrible model... my cat also can't scrape nitter, try using something with actual intelligence
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It's unlikely that AI will get to the point where it makes handwritten coders redundant, and then not immediately be at the point where vibe coders are redundant too. So if you earnestly take the position that handwriting code is a "ngmi" type activity, you also need to take the position that the vibe coder (or agent- assisted-developer/loop-architect, or whatever its nom de guerre is this week) is "ngmi".
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He just means the development pace has picked up with AI.

I've been doing this for 15 years, I love coding manually.

However, with AI-assistance I can do projects in 3 days what would take 6 months.

It's not vibe coding, everything is controlled, reviewed, understood, refined by me in the end.

But still the dev time is magnitudes faster. I would not hire anyone that is adverse to AI.

I'm actually happier. With age and a family I was getting a bit slower.

Now I have more time to spend with them AND I'm getting more done. Including personal projects I never had the bandwidth for.

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> I can do projects in 3 days what would take 6 months.

The hyperbole on this keeps growing every time I see it. Soon we’ll be having people claiming they can do in 12 seconds what used to take them 17 years. What is never presented is proof. People (and programmers are no exception) are notoriously bad at estimating. We already did studies where people thought they were being faster with LLMs when they were in fact being slower.

As companies begin to rehire to fix the mess made by LLMs, it’s clear that just getting something out the door isn’t enough. It never was. Maintenance is an important part of any long-standing system.

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That one does sound like hyperbole, or maybe he just works slowly as a human? People are different.

Likewise, I think they're having wildly different results. Look at how differently humans drive vehicles, and realize they're doing the same with compute. Some people probably are working at light speed, and some people are actually slower like in the study.

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I'm talking about the scale. This was a large app with 60+ screens, 400+ component ui kit, and very rich features.

And had to work on ios/android/web.

I'd consider myself a pretty fast programmer, and I grind 12 hours at a time, everyday until it's done.

But between all humans it's a rounding error compared to the output of an agent swarm.

For personal projects, I pick and choose how much to use AI. But for work, agents go brrrr.

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It's not a hyperbole. I know how long it takes me to do something.

And the last project truly would have taken me 6 months.

It was done in 3 days after fable 1:1 the design, setup the infrastructure, and turned all tasks and specs into code.

Everything was done day 1, but it took 2 days to manually clean it, test, and correct small issues.

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But that does make sense you're seeing "hyperboles" grow, AI is getting better very quickly, so you'll see the time saved estimations grow.

Less than a year ago I'd say it was saving me about a month of work, mainly because it sucked at UI.

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you are very smart
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People are so desperate for this to be true. Maybe it comes from a subconscious recognition that their own self-imposed deskilling will inevitably catch up with them.
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People are so desperate for [GP post] to not be true. Maybe it comes from a subconscious recognition that their own hard-earned skillset will inevitably become obsolete.

[More seriously, the comment you replied to doesn't put out any desperation. It's stated like a fact. It could easily be based on logic & reason, not emotional desperation.]

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i havent written a line of code in months
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AI is trained on a various range of code quality, including very low one.

I'm paid to provide good quality code and not flood my company with more average code than it should.

In my previous job, I could regularly reduce a PR code down to 10-20%% of its size because someone overlooked something or was just "overengineer" a feature.

AI are such "bullshiters" that they produce more text than necessary.

Code bloat was already real, but from my personal experience it becomes realer with AI. The outcome of this will likely be apparent when no one can dive into any code base because of the amount of fluff in it (and you will obviously need more AI to deal with this).

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blah blah blah YOU ARE GOING TO BE REPLACED
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Yes. But definitely not this year.
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Why stop there? If you _use_ handwritten products you’re ngmi. I only use vibe coded operating systems, JavaScript sandboxes, compilers, TLS libraries, databases, rendering engines..
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This is cute reductio ad absurdum, but it does nothing to refute the basic point made
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There was no point made. You couldn't find a shallower comment. Why are you even bothered to defend it?
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It’s bizarre to me that so many people feel the need to keep parroting this corporate talking point. What do you care? If you think people who eschew LLMs for coding “are not going to make it” or “are going to get left behind”¹, then let them. More opportunities for you, right? Go do your own thing.

¹ As if “moving forward” or “progress” were always a positive. It’s not. Just look at how many regulations we have to forbid or curtail uses of stuff we found to be harmful.

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they're calling this the most european comment ever
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If you don't understand the software you're creating (handwritten or not) you are ngmi.
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None of us are "going to make it"

Gotta touch grass.

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if your skillset is tied to corporate bullshit, yourre better off buying lottery tickets
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