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Here’s the two main reasons why local inference won’t compete any time soon with the cloud:

1. Most useful LLM work is done in parallel. A Mac Mini can run one LLM inference thread at a time. The cloud can spool up dozens and spread that inference across efficiently batched operations over a fleet of hardware.

2. Faster inference hardware such as the chips from Cerebras and Groq cannot be run locally. But the advantages of running >5x the token throughput per thread can’t be overstated. Add in the multi-threading advantage and it’s a knock-out punch for local LLMs.

Local inference has a role: if you’re working with extremely private matters or you want an uncapped model that will talk dirty or generate NSFW photos, local is the only option. I think Apple and others will continue to also run a lot of useful workloads locally such as text editing suggestions, speech to text, text to speech, and image manipulation. As local hardware improves, these capabilities will get better too.

But, for most LLM work, the cloud will continue to dominate for a long time to come, if not forever.

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I'm perfectly happy with Apple not becoming an "everything we do is AI-centric" business.

I'm fatigued by it all at this point. It's streamlining the interesting and fun parts out of my job (by practical necessity of use there), and if I used it half as much outside of work I'm sure it'd do the same there too.

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>I'm fatigued by it all at this point.

This is the prevailing opinion of people even outside of tech.

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I know public opinion polling supports that, but the parts of my social circle which are outside of tech seem to be, at worst, apathetic (and at best enthusiastic, though that's not a big fraction).

That said, I think it's a good thing that this sentiment is coming to the forefront.

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I was actually surprised to hear my brother-in-law deride LLMs as being useless for areas he has expertise in when I visited for the 4th of July.

He was complaining that he would ask how to perform a certain repair on a car, and the LLMs he tried (ChatGPT & Grok) would give him a long involved process and he'd ask why not do it this simpler way and it would say, oh you're right! He just found it gave bad advice and realized (rightly) that in areas he has less expertise in he has no way to judge how good the outputs are.

This is from a guy who loves tech, historically worshipped Elon, loves his Tesla, and (rightfully again) didn't buy into SpaceX because he thought it was overvalued.

In the past when I visited for holidays he was liable to have a positive outlook on LLMs and their utility. Seems telling that he's starting to see the cracks.

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> it would say, oh you're right!

This is easily the biggest problem with the current models. The models are just way too eager to please / say yes to the point that the models are happy to lie/make shit up if it means it can say yes.

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Yep. In my areas of expertise I can easily catch it coming up with wrong information, bad calculations etc. So laypeople are probably being led astray quite often.
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I wrote: "we should all be buying a fully loaded Mac Studio (128GB of ram, 20 CPU cores, a lot of GPU and Neural cores.)" April, 2023

We are both late and early.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35527692

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You should not buy a fully loaded Mac Studio for AI unless you absolutely NEED macOS. You will be wasting so much electricity idling on prefill while your GPU pulls 150-250w from the wall.

Buy an Nvidia Spark, then whatever cheap Mac you want to use as a thin client. There's no reason to force Apple Silicon's round peg into a square hole like AI inference.

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I suspect we'll see a hybrid before an all or nothing. Local models for computer control or delegating, online models for things that need strong reasoning, planning, and knowledge access. Again, I'd be more than happy to be wrong. I just see models growing faster than the hardware can.
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I don't mind the subtle ML integrations that they have put in the photos app: plant ID, recognizing faces, removing background, OCR text search (even for handwriting!), etc.
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I don't like when I'm trying to copy a photo online and it copies some piece of text in the photo instead
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I'm not sure that's what this article is about.

Apple is doing something very different. Their AI experience for end users definitely has been a little behind.

Apple Silicon, however, has been quite unique for the last 4-6 years and it's increasing overlap with LLMS.

The model/chip optimizations are definitely improvements, the thing that is really standing out the past 2 years is how much the open source model community has been making possible, especially when you know a group of use cases.

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Did you mean 5 months? :)
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I'm also of this opinion, but also that it doesn't have to be Apple (but they are well positioned). What I've seen with running local models on my 48GB M4 MBP is really impressive - it's not the same level as hosted stuff, but it's better than what I was using a year or two ago.
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"Apple has totally failed to deliver interesting AI experiences so far ..."

You think this is a mistake...

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https://www.crikey.com.au/2025/01/08/apple-new-artificial-in...

Of course. Do you think this was on purpose? All part of Apple's brilliant master plan?

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Apple has failed to live up to the Steve Jobs era and initial iPhone hype. It's not just "AI experiences", it's computing in general. Maybe the consumer sector is just dead/dying. Maybe consumers are just running out of cash because filthy VCs are destroying communities and forcing the 99% into poverty.

The one thing that is marginally exciting: the Apple SoC or M series chips.

It's unfortunate they are locked behind crappy macOS and other proprietary apple crap.

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> it's computing in general.

Unsurprising. Apple seriously thought the iPad would replace computers and usher in a "post-PC" word during their "What is a computer?" ad campaign era. Now they are sticking phone chips in laptop chassis.

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For the general consumer, they were basically right though. Most people don't use laptops except for work. The primary computing device is the phone, and phones have basically become become mini-ipads in form factor since that ad aired.
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