Great artists steal ideas, not a painting off a gallery wall.
reply> Through Apollinaire, Picasso contacted the poet’s ex-secretary, Honore-Joseph Géry Pieret, who was ready to steal artifacts for a reasonable price. In 1907, Pieret broke into the Louvre and took several sculptures with him. Months later, Picasso would reveal his ground-breaking Cubist work Les Demoiselles d’Avignon which was heavily inspired by Iberian and African sculpture.
replyWell their whole model is a stolen art collection :)
replyWhy not both? Three cheers for escape artists!
replya "metal-finishing technique" _is_ an idea.
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When you are bulk copying data off your former employer's network share, that is a lot more than "stealing ideas".
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replyHaving a certain type of finish on the metal is an idea. Tricking someone into using Apple’s exact trade-secret finishing technique is copying. Making a new, even better technique, that’s so good the general public forgets about Apple and thinks you’re the new benchmark… that’s the kind of stealing that quote is talking about.
replyYes, and if you analyze the finished metal and put in the work to reverse engineer it, fine, have at it. That's not even theft. If Apple really wanted to keep it completely secret forever, they can't sell it, so thats the risk they accept.
replyBut thats very different than scheming to steal actual property, which these files are.
The concept of applying some kind of Apple-ish texture finish to metal is an idea. A research-heavy, highly specific, finely tuned, multiple step, trade secret, brand signature metal finishing technique is a painting.
replyKinda seems like OpenAI didn’t actually have that idea or the ability to execute it, if they had to go to apple’s supplier and lie to them to get them do it.
replyFunny thing, Steve Jobs is the only source that attributes this quote to Picasso, and it seems very likely he made it up.
replyThe idea behind the quote most likely came from T.S. Eliot: Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal.