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by Conscat21 hours ago |

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by mingus8820 hours ago|

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If you can’t see the difference between a design firm pointing out obvious riffs on their first to market designs…

And a company openly instructing poached employees to exfiltrate documents on their way out the door, well…

by cosmicgadget18 hours ago|

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I didn't read the full complaint but the article focuses on bringing Apple IP to interviews. It's not clear that it was intended to steal trade secrets.

The Liu guy seemingly did so but he wouldn't be the first person to try to take his own work product out the door for personal reasons.

I distrust statements like:

> “pattern by employees who depart for OpenAI of taking steps to evade the security processes intended to protect Apple’s confidential information.”

This could mean almost anything.

by SpicyLemonZest13 hours ago|

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They do explain that in more detail deeper in the complaint. They allege that OpenAI has obtained the offboarding checklist for Apple managers, that OpenAI is using it to issue guidance to departing employees on how they can avoid scrutiny, and that employees receiving this guidance have been ignoring Apple security personnel who try to schedule their standard exit processes.

by cosmicgadget13 hours ago|

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That doesn't sound too heinous. As far as I am aware, employers aren't entitled to exit processes so long as they get their property back. OpenAI possessing an offboarding checklist accessible to any Apple manager doesn't seem like an IP issue.

I'm not sure what conclusion to draw from this part other than Apple trying to imply OpenAI has something to hide.

by SpicyLemonZest12 hours ago|

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They're more than trying to imply it. Apple says "This is the tip of the iceberg", and a lawsuit is necessary to uncover the full scope of what they think OpenAI has to hide.

> As far as I am aware, employers aren't entitled to exit processes so long as they get their property back.

They're not, but one of the defendants allegedly dodged returning his company laptop. It's then alleged that he used it to continue accessing Apple documents after he'd already left, and coached at least one other person on how to copy confidential documents without alerting Apple's security team.

If these allegations are supported, it seems pretty reasonable to wonder whether there might be more people he coached and what documents they might have copied undetected.

by cosmicgadget4 hours ago|

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> Apple says "This is the tip of the iceberg", and a lawsuit is necessary to uncover the full scope of what they think OpenAI has to hide.

Forgive me if I trust neither side's grandiose claims.

> one of the defendants allegedly dodged returning his company laptop

Yeah that accusation sounds sufficiently provable that it would be surprising if it was false. That being said, Apple claims it's part of a pattern that seems very inconsistent.

Considering how brazen Liu was, this could be a case of smug engineer and not corporate espionage.