As an old timer, I saw this firsthand happen with Motorola. Apple did the same shenanigans, stealing IP and engineers. I doubt the iPhone would have happened otherwise.

Jobs was absolutely ruthless and would do anything for his goals.

Presenting a product prototype or idea at a meeting is vastly different from an ex-employee stealing corporate secrets - to me at least.

Eh, I don't think Apple is particularly ethical or anything (I very much dislike their app store policies), but if you have to choose between two devils Apple is vastly preferable because they're not after my data or my job.

I always wonder why this long-supported theme doesn’t get more mindshare amid tech commenters’ worship at the altar of Apple.

"Good artists copy; great artists steal" - Pablo Picasso, but was also used by Steve Jobs, ironically.

Example?