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I believe he said Teslas are meant to appreciate in value too because you get income from renting them out when you're not using your car. They'll just drive around and work as a taxi while you're not using it.

He's more sci-fi author than CEO at this point.

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> He's more sci-fi author than CEO at this point.

L. Ron Hubbard comes to mind.

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That's a fine take in my book. The cultleader vibe and endless fanboys..
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If Bitcoin...how has nothing behind it, can´t realistically be used for financial transactions, and is essentially just a virtual NFT... can hold at $60,000 for years, So then....SPCX who has nothing behind it, and realistically will never offer any business value that is even 0,01% of expectations...can then certainly hold at $150 for years...
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Would you feel the same way if he attached good faith probability estimates to those claims?
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I think there would be no point in making the claim if the probability estimates were truly in good faith.
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Apple announced AirPower and then didn’t end up shipping it. In a “functioning economy” should Tim Cook be indicted for misleading investors? Obviously not.

The only decent argument for the criminal case you are talking about would be if it was an outright lie with no intent whatsoever to deliver on the promise, but there’s obviously a huge effort to deliver on the robotaxi promise. Just ask any of the thousands of employees who work on the Tesla robotaxi and self driving software every day, just visit Austin and observe the ubiquitous cybercabs driving around the city.

They obviously haven’t realized the dream yet but it doesn’t mean that they won’t eventually, especially when you can physically see the progress first hand.

Your argument seems mostly driven by your disagreement with the founder’s politics instead of any rational argument against their technology.

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AirPower would've been a fraction of a fraction of a single percentage point of Apple's accessory sales

Apple is facing a multi-million dollar lawsuit over Siri features it promised, that it would not charge for or make money off of, but didn't deliver

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As the comment you are replying to does not, on its face, seem to have a political bia you should be explicit about where/how you identified that bias. Without this you are the one injecting politics not the OP.
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> > Apple announced AirPower and then didn’t end up shipping it. In a “functioning economy” should Tim Cook be indicted for misleading investors? Obviously not.

Apple doesn't have a history of having to pump the stock to survive. Also it's a pretty ubiquitous company and they delivered a pretty life changing product for all of us.

On the other hand Tesla has a history of lying constantly and also life and customer experience is pretty much the same in the sectors of the economy that they attacked , as a matter of fact a 2002 Mercedes (the year in which Tesla was founded) is better in many departments compared to a 2026 Tesla

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> disagreement with the founder’s politics

Are you talking about the guy who did a double-down Nazi salute to celebrate Trump winning the election?

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I don't recall her agitating for a race war online. Maybe I missed it.

If the salutes were one weird thing it'd be one thing. But Musk spends all day online talking about how much better white society is than everything else and how foreigners are destroying society and need to be dealt with extremely harshly.

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“White” has nothing to do with it. Nobody is complaining about Japanese immigrants.
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Because being in a building Nazis have been in is just like making an actual Nazi salute. Twice.
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