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by blooalien3 hours ago |
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upvoteby Leonard_of_Q2 hours ago|
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You're describing a process by which a 'thinking' entity uses cognition to refine a solution to a stated problem. That's a lot of words so usually we shorten this to 'reasoning'.

Do LLMs 'think'? I 'think' they do in a way. I don't really know how I think myself but I know I do and therefore I am (thanks, Descartes). I have a somewhat better grasp of the way LLMs 'think'. They do so sequentially, building a chain of descriptors which best fit the problem and the preceding descriptors. I suspect I do something not entirely dissimilar- i.e. I imagine 'worlds' which are like the current one changed in some way so they the problem I'm working on is reduced, then refine those until it is resolved - but in a massively parallel way.

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upvoteby blooalien2 hours ago|
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Fine. Whatever. I give up. LLMs think. Believe what you want. I literally no longer care, and this argument is beyond exhausting. Go ask the LLM to explain itself to you. It will happily spew out a pretty solid explanation of the details and math involved if you ask it the right questions in the right way. It'll also happily play along with you if you want to roleplay that it is an actual thinking machine. It's designed that way. But hey, whatever. It's a thinking intelligent machine and we're all doomed. I accept that my many decades of working with and learning about computers was wasted and I know nothing about them at all.
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upvoteby scrollaway1 hours ago|
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Ask any human to explain their own biology to you and they'll also happily spew out whatever crap they learned before, whether that's correct or not.

You're not making the point you think you are.

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upvoteby blooalien1 hours ago|
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> "You're not making the point you think you are."

I don't care anymore. I'm not going to bother with this discussion anymore, not with anyone. I realize now that people want to believe what they want to believe and they don't care about facts or reality, so why should I care either? It's not worth my time or stress to give a damn anymore. I'm done. I'm not going to respond any further on any of these threads, and I'm probably done commenting in general. It's just not worth it anymore. I'm gonna go back to doin things I actually enjoy doing now. Y'all folks have fun. I genuinely wish you all the best.

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upvoteby famouswaffles11 minutes ago|
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If you really didn't care you could have just stopped replying instead of making sure you got in the last word.

A single reply and you folded, unable to provide any counter of any sort. Why even bother at all if you're going to throw a tantrum at the first sign of disagreement ?

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upvoteby cindyllm8 minutes ago|
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upvoteby dataflow2 hours ago|
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Honestly, people need to get over this debate. It's pretty irrelevant in a lot of cases. When people ask "what is the model thinking?", they're really asking "what caused the model to produce this response (as opposed to a bunch of other plausible ones)?"

Whether it's thinking or word prediction or whatever you want to call it, people are trying to understand the causal chain.

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upvoteby throw3108222 hours ago|
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It's not just a nominalistic debate though, as the people who are vocal against the idea that LLMs might "understand" or "think" also claim that because of this, they are fundamentally limited in what they can achieve, in contrast to human beings. Therefore any possibility of actual intelligence (or even superintelligence) is, according to them, just a fantasy.
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upvoteby wat100002 hours ago|
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Angry diatribes about whether submarines swim or not.
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