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You won't be able to see a doctor when you're sick.

You won't be able to open a bank account to receive your salary.

You won't be able to buy train or plane tickets.

My point is I am most worried that these kind of "digital verification" type things most impact actual necessities. The social media I couldn't care less about. "I just won't use it" isn't really a solution.

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You already can't do any of these things without some kind of governmental issued ID which already has your birthdate on it.

idk why people are so scared of it, do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data ?

Like yeah sure if you pay everything in cash and never use internet OK that's a big problem, but for the average HN shitposter who's already terminally online it really doesn't change much

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> do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data?

Many people in the Western Europe used, until very recently, prepaid anonymous mobile data cards that they recharged monthly with charging vouchers paid for in cash.

All this ended in the last 5 - 10 years. The U.S.-American corporate glass citizen slave mentality is actually a little tad bit new here, thus the outrage.

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You have it other way round. USA had burner anonymous cards when European countries did not.
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> You already can't do any of these things without some kind of governmental issued ID which already has your birthdate on it.

Do you have to present this ID for every purchase you make or every website you visit? Will it be stored and processed by every shop you enter? If not, how is this relevant here? Currently, the personal data exists but is not accessed by anyone unless it is really required. And even then, the scope can be minimized if the user wants.

> do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data ?

Yes. I use Whonix on Qubes to access HN and other websites.

> but for the average HN shitposter who's already terminally online it really doesn't change much

Speak for yourself.

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> Do you have to present this ID for every purchase you make or every website you visit?

Basically yes, your mobile connection is attached to a name, your landline is attached to a name, your adresse too, the card you use to pay online too.

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That is totally incorrect for many parts of Europe. Pre-paid anonymous sim cards were used by the majority of mobile users until very recently.
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Websites do not have access to any of these, do they?
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Well yeah, and that's why we use a third party app instead of having each website implement their own half assed solutions. That's like the entire point of this thing...
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Well, they could change the laws to force people into slavery here, e. g. by forcing them to use US corporations ("if you do not have an app from Google store, you are excluded from society"). In that case they see age sniffing as ultimate tool of spying on everyone, so this is probably the real goal. What we all can see is that this has never been about children - they are just abused as the red hering here.
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> "if you do not have an app from Google store, you are excluded from society"

It would be a difficult choice but would it really be so bad to be excluded from such a society? Don't a lot of people from silicon valley dream to be farmers in the wildlands?

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I mean, if the government would not demolish your house the second they found out about it...
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