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by caconym_4 hours ago |
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upvoteby hnav2 hours ago|
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It's meant for spirited driving. If it wasn't so expensive it'd be an amazing car for tooling around on gravel roads with some skidplates. Electric won't take you out to the boonies, you can't bring more juice with you and ultimately an electric package that will consistently produce 300hp while weighing 3200lbs does not exist. As far as Land Cruisers's I feel that the externalities of those and other neo-vintage boxes on 33" tires are greater than anything else on the road. Horrible mileage, makes everything less safe, less agility, less visibility, all to cosplay.
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upvoteby caconym_1 hours ago|
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> If it wasn't so expensive

It's too bad that Toyota and Honda don't have a WRX analogue sitting below their STI analogue, but I guess the demand for that kind of car isn't what it used to be.

I'd settle for the Civic SI having a bit more power on tap. Budgetizing the GRC might be a bit more problematic.

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upvoteby hnav4 minutes ago|
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If they could shoehorn the Prius drivetrain into a Corolla hatchback (not sure of packaging, a Corolla hybrid sedan already loses 2 gallons of gas vs the normal car, maybe with solid-state batteries), that could be a great, if sonically unpleasant, middle ground. The hybrid Civics already give the Si a run for the money (though the 6 speed and LSD are great). I could see Honda being able to punch the engine out to 2.3 (they shrank the bore on the hybrid to 81mm for efficiency) and with updated battery tech eek out 230hp. Add an LSD, type R control arms/spindles/sway bars and that'd be an incredible 40mpg combined daily though dangerously close to $40k.
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upvoteby budsniffer9523 hours ago|
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There is more to performance than 0-60. But Elon told normies that's what matters, now suddenly everyone quotes those times like gospel.
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upvoteby throwway1203852 hours ago|
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My midlife crisis car is a Mercedes Sprinter.
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upvoteby PunchyHamster1 hours ago|
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> So the same performance that requires a stupid amount of wasted energy as heat and noise can be had from stock electric, with a couple hundred ms leftover. Do you care about performance, or do you just want to just fart out a bunch of noise?

The flaws are the point. Keeping within power band while rowing the gears while the engine is yelling is entire point of manual ICE sports car. Or a motorcycle for that matter

Also GR Corolla is for zooming around the race track, not hitting 0-60 times, and it has roots in GR Yaris which is homologation special WRC car.

>I get traditional car culture,

I don't think you do

> but electrics embody the "money talks, wealth whispers" truism.

And I don't think it does. Raw performance (at least the straight line one) in EV is after all cheaper.

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upvoteby pmontra3 hours ago|
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Do you mean a real Land Cruiser, like the ones that can cross deserts? I'm with you.
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upvoteby caconym_3 hours ago|
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Land Cruisers are great! If this guy wants a Land Cruiser then he should get one. His interest in Land Cruisers is not my issue with his comment.
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