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At least with LG TVs you can just not give them the internet and nothing of value is lost (at least assuming you have an Apple TV or other trusted smart tv capability). Much more difficult to not give the windows PC internet and have it be useful (at least mine is only used for gaming).

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Right, I'm wondering about the amount of ads though.

by throwa35626215 hours ago|

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No, I think the ads are limited to own services and third party apps right now. Same goes for Samsung in EU.

by bloqs15 hours ago|

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Same here in the UK

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> Americans are receiving more ads than in other parts of the world

Ads aren't free, so yes, it would stand to reason that people in the largest consumer market in the world might garner more ad spend.

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So because the US is the largest consumer market in the world, the TVs LG sell in the US has more ads in the UIs than TVs sold in Europe? Why would it be like that? If that theory is true, does that mean TVs sold in the European Union then have more ads than TVs sold in China, as the EU consumer market is larger than the China one?

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> Why would it be like that?

Ads aren't free - this isn't a "theory," it's basic economics. Cost can be political (you cause the entire EU government to outlaw the practice) or monetary.

> If that theory is true, does that mean TVs sold in the European Union then have more ads than TVs sold in China

Probably? The markets have little overlap, but again, this is a function of cost. Where people have more money to spend, I have more money to spend on ads, or more money to spend on campaigning to be allowed to show ads.

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> Probably?

Spoiler: LG TVs sold in China also seem to have more ads than the LG TV we end up buying in Europe. Seemingly (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48957229) with Samsung it's the same. Even though EU is a larger consumer market than China, so obviously your theory doesn't hold, it's something else than "Bigger consumer markets === more ads in UIs in TVs".

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> obviously your theory doesn't hold

Cost is my "theory." A larger market can sustain larger ad spend, and in some areas it's cheaper to make larger ad buys. Both are true.

Also, "larger market" obviously implies a category-specific qualifier. People in the United States might have more of an appetite for televisions than people without running water - news at 11.

> Spoiler: LG TVs sold in China also seem to have more ads than the LG TV we end up buying in Europe.

"Spoiler:" is an unnecessarily cunty way to lead a declaration of fact with zero objective accompanying evidence. Any citation you care to provide?

"More ads" is already a pretty subjective, ill-defined thing. More screen time? More individual advertisers? More unique advertisements? Larger screen area?

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> Any citation you care to provide?

Not really, the question I posed initially was a casual one, based on reading around basically. I'm guessing you then have a citation handy for the US LG TVs having more ads because the US is a bigger consumer market?

> "More ads" is already a pretty subjective, ill-defined thing. More screen time? More individual advertisers? More unique advertisements? Larger screen area?

If you open up the TV home dashboard, do you see ads? On my LG TV I don't, looking at screenshots from LG TVs in the US, there seems to be.

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> The plural of anecdote isn't data.

Hey, I learned something new! Thanks :) Hope you enjoy the rest of your Saturday as much I'm enjoying mine, time to hit the beach.

by thenthenthen12 hours ago|

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Living in China, in my experience there are more ads than anywhere else I have been. My TV’s homescreen is just ads, every app has constant ads after each action there is basically a popup. There are even more ‘grey area’ ads, my whole scooter and door is plastered with the same ad for borrowing money, just different color and number, but literally 40 around my front door. On the rolling shutters of stores there are hundreds of stickers offering shutter maintenance services (lol). Its fairly insane, but the overload also makes it interesting

by jdw6415 hours ago|

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Europe has strong GDPR regulations. As for China, I've heard that hardware margins are low, so the hardware itself is just bait, and they embed ads in the software inside. But this is just something I heard from another Korean programmer, so it's not really a serious claim

by dvdkon14 hours ago|

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More spend doesn't equal more ads. Given a fixed number of ad spots, demand dictates the price advertisers would pay for ad placement. But ad platforms have no incentive to reduce the number of ads they show just because placement price is low; keeping ad spots around costs them nothing.

by InsideOutSanta13 hours ago|

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The cost of ads already accounts for the audience. Ads in the US are more expensive, so the number of ads people see should be roughly the same despite higher ad spend.

by reaperducer14 hours ago|

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You must be getting downvoted by people who have never run an ad-supported web site.

When I used to do that, North American traffic got ads 100% of the time. European traffic might get ads 5% of the time. Otherwise, there were few advertisers that cared.

However, this was back before Google AdSense upended the industry, and you could still make a living showing one static ad per page.

by 1515514 hours ago|

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It's afternoon in Europe, and folks generally don't like to be reminded of the fact that their market is decreasing in global relevance.

In this case, ads are even a product people actively want to avoid, but it's still unsettling to be undesirable. Imagine banning smoking and then getting upset that Philip Morris doesn't want to sell to you anymore.

by Jtarii9 hours ago|