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by beej7122 hours ago |
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upvoteby whimsicalism18 hours ago|
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A national ID system (standard in effectively all European countries) is table stakes for state capacity. I find the RealID opposition baffling.
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upvoteby eesmith1 hours ago|
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The major European exception being the UK, which doesn't issue identity cards and somehow manages. (Apparently Andorra doesn't either.)

You might consider it part of the Anglosphere mentality as Canada, the US, Australia, the Bahamas, and New Zealand don't have national ID.

I've never understood the problem that RealID is supposed to solve.

How is it TSA can accept a Veteran Health Identification Card or photo identification card issued by a federally recognized tribe, and the passports from every country in the world, but not a state-issued ID which is not REAL ID-compliant?

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upvoteby axus13 hours ago|
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In the US, we like to reduce state capacity. Helps limit the damage bad actors can do when they are in power.
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upvoteby anticensor8 hours ago|
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Except such a federal ID already exists: the Passport Card. Make it free to obtain and mandatory to use.
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upvoteby mothballed1 hours ago|
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Passport card can be revoked over fairly small amounts of late child support which applies to a surprisingly large portion of America, particularly historically oppressed minorities. It would be quite foolish to rely on that for identification if you have children as a simple divorce could put you in instant arrears and cause you to lose your ID.
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upvoteby dpark13 hours ago|
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This seems deeply delusional at this point.
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upvoteby markdown9 hours ago|
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As delusional as thinking the 2nd amendment will help "limit the damage bad actors can do when they are in power".
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upvoteby matchstickman2316 hours ago|
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Not to mention that to get around RealID with flights, you just have to pay $45 and you're good to go. Since we all know that bad actors don't have access to that sort of money...
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upvoteby cramer4next16 hours ago|
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Can you expand on this? How can you board a flight without realID for $45?
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upvoteby eesmith1 hours ago|
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It is called "TSA ConfirmID". https://www.tsa.gov/tsaconfirm-id

"If you are unable to provide the required acceptable ID, such as a passport or REAL ID, you can pay a $45 fee to use TSA ConfirmID. TSA will then attempt to verify your identity so you can go through security; however, there is no guarantee TSA can do so."

From https://thepointsguy.com/news/tsa-security-with-confirmid/ :

"TSA agents pull you aside for secondary screenings and to verify your identity. ... After looking me up in his system, [the supervisor] asked me a series of questions only I could answer (previous addresses and that sort of thing)."

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upvoteby tjbrock15 hours ago|
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Have you been to an airport yet since it became mandatory? They actually have signs around stating it. I had similar thoughts as the GP about that.
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upvoteby cramer4next15 hours ago|
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Not for roughly the last 6 months. I have been using my passport because my old drivers license doesn't expire until next year. I'll have to look closer or read the signs then. Just never noticed that.
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upvoteby cco11 hours ago|
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And also according to the DHS is apparently now insufficient to prove citizenship to vote, i.e. goal posts moved.
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upvoteby arjie8 hours ago|
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Is your RealID different? I’ve had one for ages and am not a US citizen. I can’t see how it could be proof of citizenship if I, a non-citizen, has one.
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upvoteby dataflow22 hours ago|
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Edit: sorry, I misunderstood the post.
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upvoteby moomin22 hours ago|
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I think a better way of describing it would be, someone broke into your house. The police said they'd patrol it, but it would take 20 years to set up. In those 20 years, no-one broke into your house. You might suspect they had other reasons for wanting to patrol outside your house.
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upvoteby continuational22 hours ago|
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The parent post is saying that the officer didn't show up for 20 years, with no burglaries in your neighborhood in between.
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upvoteby iinnPP21 hours ago|
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Unmentioned is the effect of having officers watch your home the entire time. Which is the tradeoff not worth the hassle for everyone.
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