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> I use AI chat every day, I find it endlessly useful. It’s replaced google search.

Extremely subsidized agentic search is very superior to Google at the moment, and of course it is. Google is a public company. The AI summary model has to work instantly, is likely as dumb as a 8T param model, and gives you incorrect details constantly. This sucks so much for Google. If you click on "AI Mode," suddenly the facts become more accurate.

Of course, if I want a real answer I happen to go to claude.ai, set it to a the best model, wait for a minute, and use many watts of energy. Slow agentic search that takes many seconds, and is greatly subsidized, is certainly better. This should not be a surprise, should it?

I think it was on a sub like r/singularity that I saw a post along the lines of "of course most people think that 'AI' sucks, as normies are interacting with 8T param models."

tone: genuinely confused about the world, not criticizing

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Your comment about watts stuck out to me. I became curious how much power we might be talking about.

I’m into Claude for $20/mo (petty bourgeois tier), let’s assume for sake of examination this is only paying for power, infrastructure already amortized

Price of grid power approx $0.15/kWh

$20 / ($0.15/kWh * 30 days) = 4.4 kWh per day.

This same amount of energy can lift a 2-ton SUV 1/2 mile into the air. To me this seems astounding.

If only half the $20 pays for power it’s still quite impressive.

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I've found LLMs useful for surfacing popular recommendations. I also get the overwhelming feeling that it's all very early days still when the machine mixes together whatever was crawled into the weights with a web search or two and dumps it into a markdown blurb.

I totally agree with the above that a more polished and less obvious use of LLMs integrated back into search engines may be more useful, but will definitely be more usable.

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I’m sure a lot of people here do. I wouldn’t exactly call this a representative sample.
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It’s a sample of the forerunners

See: product adoption cycle

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I encountered multiple people in HN that had Apple Vision Pro. How many people here use Linux? Have flagship model phones? Drank soylent? Microdosed LSD?

Extrapolating based on what you see on HN doesn’t make sense.

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Google search still happens, it’s just your agent doing it.
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Google search is basically Gemini now. You get a Gemini summation including several links.
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"You get a Gemini summation including several links."

Who does "you" refer to

Me, I don't get a Gemini summation (Tested with old version of Chrome)

As such I do not believe that "Google search is basically Gemini now"

I believe Google search is still scanning through a doclist to find which documents, if any, contain words parsed from a query. These documents are pointed to by the URLs I get in the SERPs

I do not get any Gemini summation

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Why use the term "you"

Does it mean the HN reader

What if that reader is "non-typical"

HN comments have argued for many years that HN users are not representative of the majority of www users

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A typical US user using a typical browser with typical settings gets an AI summary above search results.

If this doesn’t describe you, then ymmv. Talk to your government or turn down your content filtering or reset the default settings in your browser, if you want to see what we see.

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