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This is self-soothing, not a real security plan. It doesn't matter how competent a security agency is, because there's a whole ecosystem of vendors selling into that space; knowledge of how to attack encrypted disks like this is outsourced, and, importantly, those firms have incentives to mop up even random stuff like this, because vendors will be selected in part based on lists of how many different circumvention and privacy tools they can detect.
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This isn't stand-up-to-state-actors security. This is keep-state-actors-from-noticing security. They know you're guilty, they'll get it. The XKCD version of password cracking works no matter how secure your hardware.

But while states realistically can crack most anything it doesn't mean they can crack *every*thing. There are simply too many flash drives crossing the border every day.

But there is a big flaw I see: 8gb. You're carting around an 8gb flash drive these days??

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We're talking about exactly the same threat. What I'm pointing out is that state adversaries won't have to "notice" this; all they'll have to do is plug the device into a standard commercial forensics scanner product --- and we're stipulating that they're plugging the device in already (else what does it matter what bits are on it).

They pay other people to notice this stuff for them!

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I think part of the entire design is that it's quite hard to detect.

1: Reads/Writes are just routed to a COTS SD-card. 2: Unless the (correct?) password is detected in the write-data that starts the disconnect procedure.

The only way to detect it from what I can see is to profile writes then append a "password:" string multiple times to measure the write-delay, only works if the CPU cost is large enough to overtake the SD-card measurably and some constant-time optimizations should make it more or less undetectable.

It's a clever design and I think it should be possible to optimize to become more or less unrecognizable.

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Can you flesh that out? If I've missed something and oversimplified the design here, I'd want to clarify that!
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> They pay other people to notice this stuff for them!

Money, even at state level, is not some infinite resource (and neither is time).

States put effort into what they consider worth investigating - no state strip searches every incoming traveller, and goes through every item in their possession - it's possible for them to do, and if they did they'd find a hang of a lot more contraband, but it's costly, time consuming, and politically risky.

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He's saying they just plug your USB stick into some gizmo sold to the state, and it's going to find enough to escalate it.

If the idea is that there's no point in encrypting anything on a USB stick, and you just hope they don't look at it at all, sure.

But there is no threat model here that includes "check the USB stick" and does not automatically lead to finding and breaking "hidden" content.

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Try to explain how the hidden content would be found? It effectively doesn’t exist until the password is in place. It isn’t hidden, it isn’t connected at all.
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> The XKCD version of password cracking works no matter how secure your hardware.

Lavabit would like to enter the conversation.

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The xkcd approach worked in that case; the wrench in that case was legal, not physical, but boy would it have hurt nonetheless.
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He deleted everything ultimately. He printed it out in ultra tiny font in order to comply, but it was nearly impossible for law enforcement to use it. The FBI never decrypted the files.
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What about the other Lavabit users whose data he had handed over previously, before deciding to say no?
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It's hard to tell if you're being serious here. At the end of the day, Lavabit's security came down to... the FBI's inability to read an ultra tiny font?

That's not the actual story (like, that happened, but all it did was provoke the DOJ), but it's remarkable to see someone cite that as a success for Levison.

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> It didn't look like anything they had seen before so they didn't think anything of it.

You will miss your government's incompetence when they start rectifying these failures. I know I do.

They are the tyrants who oppress us with a clean conscience. They never rest and have infinite money. Their occasional episodes of bumbling incompetence is the only respite, but those won't last. Especially now with AI to think for them.

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Ya. Especially when were at the point they know you know about hidden encrypted disks because they have your full internet history for the last 10 years.

I guess it's human nature to build the Torment Nexus.

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I was arrested once and interrogated in great detail about how to access the data on a bluetooth usb dongle.

Just to say, I know what you mean.

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> Most "state-level" adversaries are just high school dropouts working border jobs told to "investigate suspicious things".

The state-level threat isn't just about the direct employees' competence. They also have the funding to purchase tools made by people who really know what they are doing. Think of things like Pegasus spyware or Darksword iPhone hacking.

I can believe that a keystone cop wouldn't know the difference between a bong and a flower vase, but border crossing guards will know a USB drive when they see one and pass a copy of it to someone who knows what they are doing.

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A copy of this USB drive would show nothing from the encrypted portion.
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Pegasus spyware operations cost something like $500k a pop, last I checked.
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That's kinda the defining characteristic of a state-level threat. They have all the money they could ever need. The reason Pegasus can charge that much is because there are people able and willing to pay that much.
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Can you check again and share where you're getting that number?
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Thanks! Per-seat licensing here checks out.
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You are conflating „state level actor” with „police level action”.

There is a world of difference if you get searched by your local police and a country level agency.

There are military units dealing with forensic investigations they have 100x or 1000x more budget and much smarter people.

But they don’t care about some drug dealers. They don’t waste time on silly stuff.

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Anyone using forensic software can dump an image of your entire drive including all partitions, byte for byte copy. Just because you got away with being careless once doesn't mean this will work every time. If you don't want your files to be copied in encrypted or plain unencrypted form, don't bring them with you. You're better off re-downloading them over the web at that point.
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Trying to keep data on a USB drive hidden long term is a losing game is the thing.

If you're intercepted with anything of value what you want is to rapidly destroy it.

This was the big problem I found when I was trying to figure out a secure way use Yubikeys: they're both long term unreliable, and short term impossible to wipe or destroy fast enough.

Literally a printout of 1 time passwords has better security properties in an adversarial situation.

For a storage device what you want isn't a secure store, what you want is a pin pull or switch which wipes it instantly.

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