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> The issue seems to be the US only likes competition when it is winning.

This. Free markets for everyone when they're the dominant economic force. Protectionism, tariffs and import/export controls when they're not.

It's so disgusting.

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Stealing IP in a way that destroys the economic incentives of a company to create the thing isn’t competition, it’s typical Chinese industrial economic deception and malfeasance. The industry cannot sustain itself if that’s the model and that’s the point; China is trying to damage frontier us companies. It’s hostile, a bad actor that leverages Ip theft wholesale.
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Everything you just said describes the major American AI providers.

Anthropic just settled a $1.5B suit over it!

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Ah, but the key difference is, we are racist against the Chinese.
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> Stealing IP in a way that destroys the economic incentives

Like the US did when it "stole" the textiles IP from the UK in order to kickstart its own industry?

> The industry cannot sustain itself if that’s the model

Then let it fall apart.

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> a bad actor that leverages Ip theft wholesale.

It's like they've read the history of the US and how it got to where it is in the first place.

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Stealing IP is how American industry got started. Goose: gander, pot: kettle.

It is what built and sustains the movie and music industries. See: work for hire and 100+year copyright length

The tech industry: see: copyright and patent assignment from discoverer to corporation.

I know that corporations forcing me to assign patents and copyright to them was an incentive to take published works from "software practice and experience" and other technical journals, use them as the core of my work, and disclose that source to the company I worked for. Didn't stop them from applying for patents, however.

I think the discussion of copyright needs more refinement. We need to separate the discoverer's need for acknowledgment of development effort from the rent-seeking core of copyright.

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The things you listed are very far downstream of the start of American industry, which is in primary resource extraction and processing. Which is you know, what actually built the country. The media industry has always been materially irrelevant, and what we think of as the tech industry is extremely new.

You're right to call out the nasty environment surrounding intellectual property in the US and the exploitation of ideation in general, you just needed a correction on that. Someone else in this chain said virtually the same thing, which is a weird coincidence of historical ignorance. Not too weird, people tend to forget the 18th and 19th centuries happened, and much of the causally important wheels of the world are in the unsexy grease pits nobody wants to think about.

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You're right, I didn't include stuff at the beginning, for example, the theft of IP in textile manufacturing in the late 1700s. The US government didn't recognize copyrights on foreign literature which let US publishers reprint things such as Gilbert, Sullivan's operettas and Dickens novels

Then there is Alexander Hamilton's advocacy for importing foreign technicians that bring back IP and reproduce it here in the states. Best of all was the patent act of 1793 which like with the literature copyright ignoring, let us citizens patent inventions from the other side of the pond.

The founding fathers definitely had the right idea on IP.

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What IP is being stolen here? So far, the courts have ruled that anything generated by an LLM is not copyrightable.
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Oh, ok. How would you describe how the "frontier us companies" acquired the data used to form their models?
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