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by cebert4 hours ago |
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upvoteby user439284 hours ago|
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Fable 5 is assumed to be a larger model.

It seems plausible to me that RL improvements allowed Anthropic to improve on Opus 4.8, similar to how OpenAI substantially improved upon GPT 5.5 with 5.6 Sol.

Fable 5.1 and GPT-6 are rumored to launch in August, presumably bringing those improvements to the larger models.

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upvoteby HarHarVeryFunny2 hours ago|
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An Anthropic "leak" back in March said that "'Capybara' is a new name for a new tier of model: larger and more intelligent than our Opus models — which were, until now, our most powerful". A second version of the leak had it referring to Claude Mythos rather than Capybara.

I don't know how systematic Anthropic are about their versioning - I'd have guessed that major version number increases (4.x -> 5.x) reflect different base models (different pre-training runs), in which case Opus 5 would be a distilled version of the Fable 5 base model (but without the cyber exploit post-training), rather than being Opus 4.8 with additional post-training, but who knows? I don't believe Anthropic have said anything about this.

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upvoteby bonoboTP23 minutes ago|
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I think these versions are largely about marketing and what image they want to project. Bumping the major version indicates/suggests that it's a bigger change in user value. I don't think the technical details matter here for deciding the versioning.
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upvoteby cesarvarela4 hours ago|
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Benchmarks don't reflect the difference between Opus and Fable; you need to talk to them, and eventually you'll be able to tell which one is which without looking.

I think the best proxy for this feeling is the Artificial Analysis' omniscience index. Fable has a 40 score, and Opus (4.8) has 27.

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upvoteby modeless4 hours ago|
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Opus is cheaper than Fable. They could probably replace Fable with Opus but why? They would be churning customers to different models for no reason. Even if a model scores better on benchmarks it can always regress in your specific use case, and customers don't like that. Customers want to be able to continue using their current model until they decide to upgrade themselves.
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upvoteby Tenoke3 hours ago|
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Fable has more parameters. In practice it's not yet clear which one would be better for different usecases yet but they are more different than one being strictly better.
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upvoteby trentor4 hours ago|
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I guess character? Fable is more friendly and curious while opus is a bit more deliberate and conservative.
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upvoteby dbbk3 hours ago|
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Surely that's tunable? OpenAI lets you tune response characteristics.
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upvoteby trentor3 hours ago|
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Yes, but there is a baseline.
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upvoteby logicchains3 hours ago|
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Fable is better for some really hard tasks, the same way it's better than GPT 5.6 Sol, because it's a bigger model.
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