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by stingraycharles4 hours ago |

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by danbruc4 hours ago|

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I did not mean it as a metric but as an indicator what was wrong with the code.

- the code is essentially good but all is in one file, you split it up, lines of code stay the same

- the code is essentially good but lacks some structure, for a function that does five things directly, you extract the functionality into five functions and call them from the original function, lines of code goes very slightly up

But once the code is actually bad - code duplication, bad abstractions, inefficient language use, ... - I would generally expect the lines of code to significantly drop. What scenarios are there where the code is actually bad but refactoring does not reduce the lines of code? It is certainly possible but at moment I am having a hard time comming up with a good example.

by zahlman3 hours ago|

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> What scenarios are there where the code is actually bad but refactoring does not reduce the lines of code?

IMX: the scenarios where people hold higher standards than what you describe :) (i.e. such that "the function does five things" is deemed "actually bad". Of course, that does depend on the refactoring not causing an unacceptable performance hit, which can happen depending on the environment.)

by danbruc14 minutes ago|

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Don't get me wrong, a function doing five things is bad. I consider code not good if you write if(condition) instead of if (condition) or a +b instead of a + b. Not that it is really bad on its own, but it indicates to me that the code was written with little care and I should probably expect bigger issues.

What I really want to get at is the distinction between leaving the actual code untouched and just moving it a bit around - to other functions, other classes, other files - and having to change the code - from deduplicating to completely rewritting it.

by NichoPaolucci4 hours ago|

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I don’t know. LOC to me is indispensable for certain refactoring goals in my opinion.

Taking a component and turning it from 7K lines to 3K lines and maintaining functionality obviously means there’s less complexity introduced, less to go wrong now, and less overhead to modify in the future.

Sure it can go the other way, the component needs to support something it might need, we need to adjust larger patterns, this function needs to be refactored into something more robust.

But lines of code is a pretty decent metric of success for “trimming down and cleaning up” style refactoring, to me at least. It’s not everything of course, but it’s definitely an indicator.

by Shish2k4 hours ago|

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A couple of days ago I split a single class which did 5 barely-connected things, where each of the 5 entry points had another 5-10 private helper methods (none of which were shared between entry points), into 5 separate classes which each do one thing - total number of lines went up (because they all have the same boilerplate import statements at the top), but being able to focus on one entry point and it's helpers at a time has made things much easier to work with

by Catloafdev4 hours ago|

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That's LOC in a single file, that's a bit different from total LOC as a metric.

Total LOC is a garbage metric. Things like reducing line count in specific files or components is a big benefit, but those lines are often moved, not dropped.

by j454 hours ago|

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LOC can be one measure, but not always the sole or best ones.

Since LLMs are word generators, and have a propensity to generating words, they need to be shaped to understand simplest is best, more isn't more, and less isn't more always.

Trimming down and cleaning up could be formatting, standardization, commenting, or even some basic re-architecting that was overdue.

One of the biggest benefits of llms for refactoring I'm finding is reducing technical debt.