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> What are you even talking about? No, of course music recommendation systems had nothing to do with LLMs two decades ago (which is obviously the crux of the discussion), that is insane.

Of course not, but just some years ago, when people talked about "AI" in ML circles, they weren't exclusively talking about LLMs, which you seemed to have automatically and exclusively associated "AI" with. It's much larger than just LLMs, although the ecosystem is flooded with LLMs at the moment. I thought this very movement, where tons of people, not just you, have this "AI === LLMs" association, when again, it used to not be so.

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So, in other words, you read what one person (you’re not talking to some vague notion of “people” in the past) wrote, associated it with other arguments you’ve seen (and quite possibly misinterpreted) before and decided to lump everything together and answer those different arguments and be kind of snarky about it.

That attitude is exactly why online (and offline) discourse has gone in the gutter. Instead of addressing what was said and understanding nuance, you instead took the comment, labeled it in a preconceived box in your head, then attacked that group instead of engaging in good faith with the person you were talking to.

And by the way, I’m very much aware of the difference between AI and LLM, but whether you like it or not the terms are conflated today and being pedantic about it is a losing battle. In this case it was patently obvious what was meant. You’re (presumably) not an automaton and are thus (presumably) capable of understanding the difference, meaning you are definitely able to choose to steel man instead of straw manning.

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> than attacked that group instead

What on earth are you on about?

Take a breath, I'm not arguing for/against anything at all, I conceded myself it's "borderline off-topic", you don't have to take it as I'm trying to challenge anyone's worldview or anything, it's basically an offhand observation.

> man instead of straw manning.

You may not actually understand what a "straw man" is, as I haven't even attempted to refute or engage in any argumentation at all.

Anyway, clearly a fruitless conversation to continue, I'm not sure who you're arguing against/for here, I didn't intended to even try to argue against/for anything here, so I'm just gonna peace out. Hope you enjoy the rest of your Saturday as much as I've enjoyed mine so far!

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Come on, if you respond to a comment then expand on it to explain why you made it, hiding behind it being “borderline off-topic” and an “offhand observation” feels disingenuous. Can you understand that?

Here’s a silly example: Imagine you had made a comment about something different on a different thread. Then someone responds to you by saying “borderline off-topic, but I find some comments on HN about this subject to be really stupid”. Would you not be justified in thinking that the comment responding to yours was a response to you?

Maybe you really did mean nothing by it, but are you able to understand how every choice you made contradicts that, even if inadvertently?

> Anyway, clearly a fruitless conversation to continue

Are you also able to understand how this type of high-ground dismissal makes it worse?

> Hope you enjoy the rest of your Saturday

Thank you. You too. Genuinely.

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Oh, you two!
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