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by rpicard9 hours ago |
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upvoteby voodooEntity8 hours ago|
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No im referring to the legal terms of germany, the country im residing at. Our laws regarding "hacking" are arguable the strictest and worst.

The problem is that they are formulated in a way that it is super easy to have your software being possible "dual use" and that a judge has to decide if its fine or not. Making it worse it also states your "intention" which well is impossible to proof - if the judge says he doesn't believe your intentions are only good, you can literally get massively sued.

So ye i could move to another country and than publish it - apart from that i can let it rot on my hdd (which is prolly what will happen).

Edit: Additionally mentioned, it is not just the publishing in germany, even the facilitating already which is why i don't even have an article about it (any more).

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upvoteby Centigonal7 hours ago|
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So would it be fair to say this is less about deterministic vs. LLM-driven tools, and more about software published out of New York vs. software published out of Germany?
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upvoteby voodooEntity3 hours ago|
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Yes and no. I have seen (not wanne name them now to not bring them into a bad context) several tools coming from germany which are well in questionable contexts but due to basically beein advertised as full LLM/AI driven its somehow not on anyones radar. So that is kinda a thing.

But sure location itself also plays a role no question.

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upvoteby Peacefulz3 hours ago|
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If getting it out there in the world is more important to you than stamping your name on it, pass it out to a friend who can publish it. Continue any related development in private. They can't stop you from distributing something they don't know you're developing.
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upvoteby voodooEntity3 hours ago|
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Well its not like i didn't consider it, but it heavily relies on stuff that i have written and that is well only used by me till this day. So arguably, publishing it this way it would still have like "points" which make it extremely related to only me.

Also asked the lawyer in consulted about it... i would be a heavy gamble

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upvoteby RamblingCTO8 hours ago|
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Really? Have there been any cases yet?

I'm asking cuz I started devloping a c2+agent+BOF kind of thing with custom bytecode vm for the lulz (to learn how stuff works nowadays) and it's on tangled and github :/

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upvoteby sdoering6 hours ago|
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Yes. More than one. This one was especially "interesting", a security researcher was tasked by a company to evaluate the ERP (I believe would be the acronym) software. Diiscovered an external database connection, looked at it, discovered this external DB contained sensitive information from other clients of that vendor - reported it, got sued, lost.

In German: https://ht-strafrecht.de/blog/strafrecht/it-sicherheitslueck...

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upvoteby voodooEntity3 hours ago|
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Ye you should be really careful on that one. If just somebody with a bad mood reports you, even if you have absolutely good intentions, it can cost you and if its just in spendings in a lawyer to proof that your fine....
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upvoteby actionfromafar8 hours ago|
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Intentions are very often a factor when it comes to law, and rightfully so. The problems come when you classify some category of software as "dangerous" by default. Software is special in that it can't be a "controlled substance". So everyone needs to have the tools to increase their security. That includes access to "offensive tools" to study what they do. A recent example was the Huggingface attack.
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upvoteby ksk236 hours ago|
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As I understand the hole shebang, the German law is about "does the court think you are `hacking` something?" -- this is against the law.

Yes, there was one German pentester that got sued, because he reported a BASE64 encoded, hardcoded authentication token in an application. Not that I would wish him anything like that and am ashamed by the outcome, I also recall that he might have tried to put pressure on the vendor by doing an interview with a blogger or so?

On the other hand, I do not know of any cases regarding publication of dual-use tools as OSS.

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