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by brunoborges7 hours ago |
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upvoteby dwedge5 hours ago|
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Maybe it's distro specific but I'm fairly sure mysql by default installed with skip networking around 2012, and with bind-address set to localhost since then. Also the root user is only configured from local by default but I'm not sure if that was true 14 years ago.

If the defaults are more secure than your examples, it's not fair to blame the database or the defaults.

And personally I hate it when software forces security requirements on me. Maybe I don't need an admin password. It's one reason I gave up on selfhosted gitlab - there was no option to reduce password complexity for my users, and those users were only connecting from the local network. The other reason being that it spammed 100GB of logs in a month and was using 11GB of RAM before I'd even gotten around to setting up the first repo.

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upvoteby danudey4 hours ago|
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MySQL installed with skip-networking was very common, but as soon as you need to access it over the network (e.g. when you move from one box with MySQL and PHP to one for each) then you have to enable networking and everything falls apart.

Also, the number of times in my career that I've googled a problem and seen some forum post saying "Oh, just run chmod -R 777 /var/www/wordpress/uploads/ and it'll fix that" "Great it worked thanks!" tells me that it's the blind leading the blind out there and I'm sure there's tons of forum posts telling people how to disable authentication on their MySQL and disable iptables on their server so that their PHP app can connect to the DB without a password.

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upvoteby tredre33 hours ago|
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> selfhosted gitlab - there was no option to reduce password complexity for my users

Gitlab's default requirements aren't that intense, but you can make them more stringent if you want.

https://docs.gitlab.com/user/profile/user_passwords/#passwor...

I guess your goal was to allow users to have 4 character passwords, i.e. "love." which afaik you can't do.

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upvoteby dwedge3 hours ago|
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They must have changed that or I was completely off base because I was just trying to remove special characters and drop it from 12 (I think) and I saw them close a feature request saying they didn't think they should support it. It's possible I misunderstood and the feature request was as you say
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upvoteby dylan6045 hours ago|
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Most software matures to the point that sane defaults get set. In the early days, one could be forgiven for making MVP as the security and attack vectors were still growing. Now that attacks have matured, and new software that is released without mitigation of these mature risks is just dumb and lazy and deserve no forgiveness for being released that way.
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upvoteby z3t44 hours ago|
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You should use a user directory (AD) and then use single sign on (SSO) or or the like. It feels kinda stupid at first, but when you have many users and many apps the AD will make life easier and with SSO users can sign in with one click of a button.
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upvoteby brendoelfrendo4 hours ago|
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I guess I'm confused; why would you, as an admin, want to allow your users to use less secure passwords? I get that your argument is that all traffic is local and so complex passwords are unnecessary (debatable, I would hold that a strong password policy would still be desirable for defense-in-depth, depending on the network and risk profile), but that doesn't make them undesirable.
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upvoteby dwedge3 hours ago|
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We were in the middle of setting everything up company wise (for just two of us), didn't have the password manager yet and I was dictating the password to them. It might be a stupid use case, I agree, but not unreasonable. I didn't say strong passwords are undesirable I said forcing the admin of self hosted software to have to use strong passwords with not even a --yes-im-stupid flag is undesirable
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upvoteby OroPla3 hours ago|
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Maybe that is why so many things live in Excel instead of a proper database. Security at the expense of convenience does come at the expense of security, after all.

Not sure why passwords still exist conceptually. I was hoping we'd move past this annoyance, but instead security has become even more annoying. And all that security with two factor hoops to jump through only for someone to steal your session cookie.

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upvoteby pixl972 hours ago|
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What would passwords move past too? A device people lose? Some specifications everyone argues about and implements differently. Just look at SAML and everyone using slightly different terminology.

Security is more annoying because the attacks are better than ever.

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upvoteby com2kid4 hours ago|
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I got bit by this with redis a couple years ago. The default install on my VPS's distro had it open to the world by default, and it even configured UFW for me (gee thanks!)

No password, owned within seconds of install. :/

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upvoteby redsocksfan455 hours ago|
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