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I understand the intent of it. It's really annoying/rude when someone gives you a pile of AI generated crap and says "here, you figure it out." Anyone can type these prompts now, the hard part is figuring out if the output makes sense.

Seems like a better way to do this than ban all AI generated code, but it's probably a matter where they're far more concerned about their own inconvenience than someone else's.

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Ghostty has what I’d consider to be a reasonable policy. You submit what you want to change and how, explain it in your own words. A trusted member can vouch for you. You can then make a PR, but you need to explain the solution and how it works in your own words.

I’m sure someone could still just prompt their way through but it’s a decent soft gate IMO.

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Really, I think the long term solution is people's attitudes need to catch up with the technology.

Humans still need to review code for taste, making sure AI is writing sensible, well organized output. That's a core "AI skill" for now, at least until it gets better...

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If ai rapidly gets better, then instead of submitting prs you can ask your agent to fork and improve the project and bypass the policy that way. if it goes slower they have time to reconsider policies in the future. if it doesn't improve then we can probably find out some middle ground approach like the ghostty one

in any of those cases there's no reason to get swamped by cheap PRs for now

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more like

"Claude please audit the source code of every package in my distribution, start our own code forks for any security issues or improvements. Don't bother reporting upstream level 10 CVEs to hostile maintainers. Please have the results ready in 5 minutes I am going to fill up my mug"

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> the hard part is figuring out if the output makes sense.

I think for Java specifically, it's also very much: which prompts make sense to write. Java has had a storied history of features that made future development hard. That's resulted in a culture where they like to think quite deeply about how to add a feature BEFORE they sanction any sort of programming.

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(bit sarcastic) Oracle was always all in on Lawyers, right? No software was their first priority.
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Let's just pause for a second and steep in the irony of "we're all in on AI, except where there are visible consequences."

The same problems that bedevil AI-written PRs here bedevil AI-written PRs at my place of work.

I'm sure it'll get better eventually, maybe, but something something Pareto principle.

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> The same problems that bedevil AI-written PRs here bedevil AI-written PRs at my place of work.

>I'm sure it'll get better eventually, maybe

Why would it get better?

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We'll just get used to it and the problems won't seem so bad, even if they are. To bring it all back, it's just like using oracle software in your enterprise, after a while you forget how awful it is to work with them.
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> Let's just pause for a second and steep in the irony of "we're all in on AI, except where there are visible consequences."

I've got Alanis Morissette jamming in my head right now.

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Oracle is primarily a legal department that sells software licenses to give their lawyers something to extract money from customers with.

Google “Oracle org chart meme” and look at image results, only it’s not a meme.

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> even if it is ironic that Oracle is all in on AI

Selling it is one thing. Having to use it one's self is quite another.

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I know you've heard this one before: "Never get high on your own supply."
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Probably has less to do with quality and more of a copyright/license concern.
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I’m just going off the reasons they gave. Which highlight both copyright and quality. Both of those make sense to me.
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Any way you spin it, the message remains clear --- dealing with AI slop is just too labor intensive and risky.

Do as Larry does --- not as Larry claims to do.

I would short his stock but it has already lost half it's value over the past year. And his credit rating is one notch above junk.

AI is going to make fools out of a lot of billionaires like Larry.

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The Oracle AI ban marks the end of the Kayfabe era.

Even the biggest institutional AI investors have to ban their contributors from spamming them with AI generated slop.

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