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From what I’ve seen so far, I would also not dismiss it as slop, even though I’m generally against vibe-coding (but more for ethical and environmental reasons, not because the code is inherently bad/slop/whatever). Many people seem to have a hard time acknowledging that LLMs actually can produce good stuff, but it highly depends on the experience of the developer who guides them.

If a dev is competent and has enough experience actually writing code and making good design decisions, I see no reason to judge their work on the basis of what tools they used to get the job done. However, it may still put me off, since I find it hard to value LLM-written code the same way I value human-written code, even though it may be equally good or even better in quality.

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The website is clearly slop. I KNOW it has been generated because it has the bog-standard unique claude LLM card-mistake that humans who hand-code just DONT make.
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> Not slop, though.

What would you call 2k commits in 2 months by a single committer if not slop?

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It definitely is vibe-coded, but yogthos is a competent programmer who has been working on public Clojure projects and repos since 2009, and has maintained a large Clojure framework since well before LLMs were a thing.

I don't think "2k commits in 2 months" is enough to dismiss as slop when it's being developed by a competent Clojure dev.

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Competent or not, slop is still slop. The website in particular uses the exact same copy-paste layout/style produced by LLMs and used by pretty much every slop project out there.

One very quick "slop or not?" test is to see if em dashes are used in the source code where they literally never make sense. It's not a great test, but it's one that consistently turns out to be good enough. The results should speak for themselves: https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Ajolt-lang%2Fjolt+%E2%80%9...

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Probably good to note that this person is building his own language: https://inko-lang.org/
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If you consider all AI generated text or code slop, then sure, the project's code is AI generated.

But in my case I think there are levels. In this case, the author has the expertise needed to properly design the work and assess the quality of the output. And it seems they intend to maintain and evolve the library actively and long term.

Would I prefer a serious Clojure on chez that's all hand-written, for sure, but beggars can't be choosers.

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The website layout is the same one I used in projects like Luminus long before LLMs even existed https://luminusweb.com

If you have specific comments about the quality of the code then I'd be happy to discuss that. Attacking other people's work because they used tools you don't understand is just toxic trolling. And the fact that you judge code quality by the number of em dashes in the comments really speaks volumes.

Maybe spend a bit of time figuring out how to use new tools effectively instead of harping on what other people are doing.

It's very telling that whenever somebody starts braying about slop, they never have anything of substance to say. All the noise you add to discussions people are trying to have is the real slop.

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'Slop' is a word about quality, like in 'AI slop' - a low quality code generated with LLM. Did OP managed to achieve reasonable quality notwithstanding the speed? I don't know yet, but unless you can point to something sloppy in the repo, calling it slop may not be warranted.
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> > Not slop, though.

> What would you call 2k commits in 2 months by a single committer if not slop?

Productivity. Slop is when you push a huge volume of garbage or mediocre stuff, no?

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If you have any actual constructive criticism of the code, then I'd love to hear them.
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Why would I read something you couldn't be bothered to write?
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That's such a knee-jerk, unproductive, smug, uncritical retort. Why?
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Tbf, author didn’t really read or write it, why anyone else should
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I'm a Jolt user and active Clojure user, and I'd say you're right in a sense.

The caveat is that this isn't typical AI slop. The author knows the subject deeply, designed the system themselves, has extensive Clojure test suites to validate against, and has basically been working on it 24/7.

Can you trust it like a compiler someone spent 7 years writing and knows line by line? Probably not. But it's closer to alpha software than useless slop. As more people use it, we'll find out how robust it is, and whatever issues exist can be fixed as they're found.

So ya, I agree you shouldn't be asked to review AI generated code the author didn't review themselves. I think the ask here is more to try it and see how complete and robust it actually is. And even that only makes sense because the author is a known expert who appears to be steering the model carefully.

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The real question is why you feel the need to comment on something you don't care to understand. Thanks for admitting you're just trolling and there's no point trying to engage with you.
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