I'm not saying they're not useful, of course they are. I am disputing that they are part of the agreed bargain between you and the proprietary LLM providers.
replyThey explicitly do not promise reasoning traces. You (general you) agree to those terms and pay for that bargain anyways.
We "agree" to many things that are deeply unfair.
replyYet we have the option to decide not to participate. That is an option.
replyI’m just driving by here but they bill by tokens — it’s a stretch to turn around and deny your right to see them. And it’s especially egregious when the tokens admittedly, routinely do the opposite of what you instructed.
replyBut personally it’s not about right and won’t it’s just blatant bullshit.
And lawyers bill by 6-minute increments, yet that doesn't mean you get access to all of a law firm's internal discussions and notes about you and your case.
replyJust because you paid for the lawyer time/LLM tokens doesn't mean you get access to everything that happened within that time/tokens.