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by iLoveOncall3 hours ago |
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upvoteby weatherlite3 hours ago|
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But those H1Bs all come for a very narrow set of work - mostly software development or other adjacent roles. So your 4 million figure that counts all graduates in all fields doesn't make sense when we talk about tech.

There are around 100k U.S CS graduates . You're telling me 100k H1-Bs don't make any impact on them?

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upvoteby iLoveOncall3 hours ago|
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You're counting only CS bachelors, in reality there's 400K graduates a year in software engineering fields.

There's also only 60,000 H1-Bs a year for private companies.

Lastly the majority of H1-Bs doesn't go to software engineering jobs, it's around 30-50%.

There's also basically no US company hiring juniors via H1-Bs, so yeah, I'm saying it doesn't make any meaningful impact.

30K H1-Bs versus 400K grads...

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upvoteby BeetleB1 hours ago|
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> There's also only 60,000 H1-Bs a year for private companies.

Actually, more like over 80,000. They have a separate pool for people with advanced degrees (MS or higher) in tech fields.

Agree with everything else.

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upvoteby weatherlite2 hours ago|
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The way you handled those numbers makes me think you have leadership potential, perhaps even U.S presidency material
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upvoteby KetoManx642 hours ago|
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-85,000 NEW visas granted each year, not including renewals - The mass majority of those are going into the tech/software - there are only around ~100k CS graduates each year - H1B workers will take much lower salaries and benefits than their US citizen counterparts.
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upvoteby declan_roberts33 minutes ago|
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And H-1Bs are easier to overwork and abuse because the threat of deportation and the dangling carrot of citizenship are very powerful motivators that don't exist with US citizens.
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upvoteby mikert893 hours ago|
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have you been inside a big tech company? there arent many american fresh grads working there, its mostly foreign
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upvoteby iLoveOncall3 hours ago|
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upvoteby fl4regun3 hours ago|
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IME many big companies are filled with mediocre morons, or at least people who just don't care enough to do better than mediocre. Still not the fault of brown people either way.
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upvoteby shimman3 hours ago|
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Why are you bringing racism into the equation?

It's not an unreasonable thing for people of a country to think that the government should do more to protect their livelihoods over a corporation's balance sheet.

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upvoteby fl4regun3 hours ago|
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perhaps if you read the comment chain you would realize I'm not the one who introduced this into the conversation. Sorry that you disagree with my position.
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upvoteby shimman2 hours ago|
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wow I did not read this thread fully, my bad.
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upvoteby throw-the-towel3 hours ago|
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Can't help but laugh that even Amazon has someone who defends its honour.
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upvoteby mikert893 hours ago|
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hahaha i was laughing too, of all companies for someone to defend
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upvoteby ryandrake2 hours ago|
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Every $1B+ company out there has at least one person on HN eager to passionately praise and defend it online. I've never understood it. People get devoted to a company like it's their religion.
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upvoteby WarmWash3 hours ago|
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>The reason you're not getting a job at Amazon isn't because of brown people,

The correct framing is "The reason you're not getting a job at Amazon isn't because of people willing to work for less money,"

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upvoteby iLoveOncall3 hours ago|
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The compensation bands and the actual compensation are exactly the same regardless of immigration status.
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upvoteby snovymgodym2 hours ago|
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Bands yes, packets no.

Big tech companies aren't like a Government job with rigorous pay grades based on role and seniority. You can have people even within the same role and level at big tech with multiple $100k pay discrepancies.

If someone's continued ability to stay in the country where they currently live is contingent on employment then they will accept worse conditions and pay.

That's the entire reason why tech companies use H1B, it's not as though there's a dearth of Java developers or DevOps people who are US citizens.

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upvoteby mikert893 hours ago|
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amazon is crammed full of indians, its one of the worst offenders. i spent 5 years at the company

also nothing impressive about a senior SDE there, maybe 10 years ago it was impressive, best talent has either moved on or is L7+

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upvoteby weatherlite3 hours ago|
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What's wrong with being mediocre?
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upvoteby insane_dreamer3 hours ago|
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Spend some time processing tech job applications and you’ll realize you’re wrong
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upvoteby declan_roberts33 minutes ago|
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Take a walk through South Lake or San Francisco and he'll realize he's wrong.
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