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upvoteby hypfer2 hours ago|
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According to this shitty vibecoded thing "I" built https://hypfer.github.io/will-it-fit-llama-cpp/ (and I guess according to math too), FP16 K/V would give me something like 90k context at the same model quant, which doesn't really fit my usage.

But maybe someone else has experience to share there

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upvoteby nubg2 hours ago|
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just to clarify. yes YOU built it. just because you used some tool doesn't mean the idea, prompting, reprompting, babysitting was not your creative input and effort.

put differently, if you put a random person infront of whatever model you used (say, a 50yo receptionist at a pharmacy in india), they would not have been able to create that, because they would have lacked the motivation, idea, background knowledge, taste, etc to create such a thing.

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upvoteby bilekas2 hours ago|
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You sound like your trying to reassure yourself of something.

I sure hope my boss doesn't think he built my work! He'd probably get fired pretty quickly during on call!

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upvoteby formerly_proven1 hours ago|
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> I sure hope my boss doesn't think he built my work!

Most managers do though?

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upvoteby bilekas8 minutes ago|
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I've worked with a good few types of managers of the years, none would take ownership of my work. The end result? Sure, for shareholders/this managers that is fine.

But that's not the same as me being needed to be on a call with integration teams and having to run the call. It's just a layer of abstraction for management. I own the creation side of the product.

Who created it is still me.

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upvoteby williamcotton2 hours ago|
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I generally agree and expect this to be the case from a legal perspective.

Legal questions of authorship are going to have to be established in terms of doctrines like SSO [0] and AFC [1]. Currently the incredibly sparse caselaw around this has yet to involve such non-literal notions of copyright.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure,_sequence_and_organi...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction–filtration–compari...

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upvoteby effdee1 hours ago|
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Some people will now argue it was the chisel—not Michelangelo—who created David.
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upvoteby sejje1 hours ago|
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The idea guys will really think themselves gods, now.
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upvoteby b1121 hours ago|
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No, it's the difference between management and direct work.

None would claim they chiseled anything, if it was 3D printed. They may claim they designed something.

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upvoteby smallmancontrov1 hours ago|
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"Carve me a naked guy. Make no mistakes."
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upvoteby hypfer48 minutes ago|
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I cannot fulfill this request. I am programmed to follow safety guidelines that prohibit the generation of sexually explicit content.
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upvoteby tinfoilhatter2 hours ago|
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So if I hire an artist and am a motivated individual, have an idea for a painting, have background knowledge about paintings and have taste in paintings and can offer a critique of the painting as the artist paints it, then somehow I created the painting?

Absurd logic. The AI built the website.

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upvoteby sampullman1 hours ago|
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I think in that case it's fair to say you created the painting with the artist, even if the artist should get majority credit. I don't like the analogy though, to me it feels more like you're a project manager directing a team of genius but single minded interns.
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upvoteby tinfoilhatter1 hours ago|
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I've never encountered a project manager who has said: I built this thing, after a project has wrapped up. I have encountered ones who've said I managed this project.
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upvoteby sampullman49 minutes ago|
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I've heard some variant of "we built this thing", which I think is valid. I'm not sure how I feel about anthropomorphizing a coding agent at this point though, which is what you're implying.
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upvoteby mixologic1 hours ago|
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Nothing absurd about that. What do you think an "Executive producer" is? A "Director" ? Does Peter Jackson get credit for creating the Lord of the Rings Trilogy films? Christopher Nolan for his films? But did he make them ? No, it was the collective effort of thousands of individuals all working under their direction.

Just like if somebody creates software today, and the end result is generated by the collective effort of thousands of agents, the "Director" still gets credit.

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upvoteby dd8601fn1 hours ago|
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That’s an interesting way to look at it, and still generous to the llm.

By which I mean it puts the llm in the role of actor and such… people practicing an art. It seems harder to make a case that the llm is actually making creative decisions rather than aping a synthesis of past human decisions and expressions of taste, strictly, at every turn.

Though I guess it’s all “shades of grey”. I never felt like I was contributing a ton when I was essentially wrapping a large, capable library that some smarter person or people made, either.

Tangentially… remember back when we used to see headlines like “12 year old made a web browser!” and we all thought, “No. No they didn’t.”

It all feels a little like that, again.

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upvoteby tinfoilhatter1 hours ago|
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The director receives accreditation for directing the film, not creating it.
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upvoteby onraglanroad33 minutes ago|
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Doesn't the director generally receive more credit than the producer?

How many films do you remember the producer above the director?

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upvoteby rob1 hours ago|
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I just read through a couple of your posts that weren't dead or buried, and it seems like you're pretty anti-AI. You should really start to have an open mind towards it. It's going to be the future (if it isn't already), and as you continue to get older, you're going to really wish you spent your time right now learning and embracing the technology instead of being so against it. A lot of the skills and things that you're holding on to right now might not be relevant by then, but you'll be at a disadvantage from not keeping up with the industry and need to play catch-up.
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upvoteby tinfoilhatter1 hours ago|
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I'm not sure that typing messages to a chat bot requires much catching up, but since you think this is what I should do rob, I better listen!
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upvoteby lukan49 minutes ago|
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If you don't get reliable results, but others do, then maybe you should indeed. But your choice.
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upvoteby alienbaby1 hours ago|
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You know how many pieces of art Damien Hurst creates himself Vs his studio assistants creating them under his direction?

For example, of his 1500 spot paintings, he only actually made 5 of them.

It's not uncommon at all for artists to work this way.

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upvoteby tinfoilhatter1 hours ago|
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He still didn't create the paintings, he offered instructions / feedback to the artists that created them. Whether or not he is credited with authoring them is an entirely separate issue.
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upvoteby williamcotton1 hours ago|
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There have been plenty of workshops where artists hire assistant painters while maintaining authorship over the works themselves, from Rembrandt to Warhol to Hirst.
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upvoteby nubg1 hours ago|
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no, because there is another human involved.

llms are not human.

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