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Sure. I should have been more precise about what is 'real intelligence' here.

What I mean is that blindsight's scramblers are aliens that cannot share human values. Their structure is completely different to ours, their qualia (or whether they even have it) is impossible for us to understand. In short, they do not have a soul. When Claude does this "slowly revealing a dramatic insight" thing that it does, it does that not because it has judged itself through some introspection as having an insight to share. It does not even know what an insight is or is not. It is not sharing anything, because it is not capable of sharing, because it does not have a soul.

The aesthetic structure of its replies is a pattern, a constraint on the token distribution, like the color of noise.

It's my bad to use the word 'intelligence' because it's so overloaded. Will Claude will act as a therapist or produce value or produce a work of art? No. It cannot, because it does not have a soul. I leave it freely open to interpretation whether having a soul is required for "real intelligence." But what I've noticed is that "intelligence" in these discussions is mostly used to denote some capability to produce [economic/social] value. In my mind value is a relational thing, a thing of human feeling.

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I think I understand what you are trying to convey but I fear you've made the same mistake again, this time with "soul" instead of "intelligence."

I think what you are getting at is that they are deterministic automata. They are machines. We have introduced randomness to add variation but it is an artificial randomness that simply perturbs the path traversed.

When we choose words it isn't because of a token distribution, nor because we rolled a die. We choose words because we feel a certain way, the external world, our body and senses are all connected as one system. These machines don't experience moods or get tired or feel better after a good night's sleep. They don't know their audience, we're all the same to them. We have no personal relationship nor can we establish one, as presenting some arbitrary background is not the same thing as a fluid, evolving relationship that accumulates through experience over time. There are no scars or fond memories.

If these things can truly be intelligent, to abuse your use of the word, then at least we are quite far from holding them correctly.

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An observation: You can never insult an LLM, but it can certainly insult you.

You can not insult it because it does not care, because it does not have "feelings". But you do.

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I think that Blindsight's scramblers were intelligent but not conscious, which for us is very difficult to understand. For them consciousness was a blight.

For the HN readers that are missing the context: https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm Full text on the web site of the author.

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