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Theft is solved by making society better, not worse. Make people not want or reliant upon crime to survive.
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"reliant upon crime to survive"

Do we have any sources that people are stealing to survive? What definition of surviving are we using here?

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No one relies on bike theft to "survive".
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No one goes around stealing bikes just because they want to do bad things.
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There is a large amount of people who go around stealing bikes for fun and some cash; and often "street cred" or something akin to that.
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Then maybe society should be improved upon so that a few dollars or a few minutes of "fun" or "street cred" isn't seen as such a boon to their life that people risk jail time for it.

The US tried "tough on crime" approaches, what has it resulted in? 25% of the entire world's prison population and it still has higher crime rates than its peer nations.

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My brother in Christ.
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What are you basing that on?
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That's right, people steal bikes because they are inherently evil and want to make baby Jesus cry.

I think it's ok to define "survive" as an addict who needs (<-also loosely defined) a fix.

You don't generally commit serious white collar crime, tax fraud or do crypto grifts to survive. For petty street crime, I don't really see any other motivation.

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There are a lot of teenagers stealing bikes and other stuff for fun. It's common, and in many circles very "cool". Doesn't have to be inherent, really.
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> Theft is solved by making society better, not worse.

Phew, good to hear. Here I thought it would be a hard and complex problem, with lots of unknown unknowns, difficult political compromises, a generation-spanning efforts and many potential solutions with uncertain outcomes, partially contradicting each other.

Instead, we just have to make society better. So, what's step 1?

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Step 1 could be not turning the world into a an Orwellian nightmare and outlawing mass surveillance, from both government and private corporations.

And if you are still worried about theft in the mean time, you could try looking at wage thefts which has a value greater than all other forms of theft combined.

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It's actually solved by putting thieves in prison (by the help of flock cameras).
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Is it though? Does prison work as a deterrence to others?
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There's usually a fairly small number of criminals in the population and they have short careers. Otherwise, the whole enterprise of society wouldn't be viable.

So once you take them off the streets for a couple of years, or decades for the more hardened ones, it's fine. It has an added benefit of breaking criminal networks so the future adepts have no place to fence the stolen goods.

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Do you have any kind of education in this area? Because that doesn’t sound like the little that I’ve read about sociology and psychology.
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It's pretty well established for violent crime, at least: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3969807/

The recidivism rate for property crime is higher than violent crime, so it seems plausible that the same is true for theft: https://counciloncj.org/recidivism_report/

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On one hand, you’re breaking existing networks; on the other hand you are establishing a social club for new ones.
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That person is insanely naive - either very young, or very lacking in life experience and worldly knowledge.
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"It has an added benefit of breaking criminal networks so the future adepts have no place to fence the stolen goods" is probably the most naive thing I've ever heard.

I also think you have no idea how much it costs per prisoner per year.

I also think you have no idea how much harder it is for someone to get a job, housing, a partner, etc after they have a conviction. Or how much whatever life they had falls apart, which includes partners, friends, family. And guess what happens when you strip away all of someone's social connections? They lose that safety net, and are now dependent upon whatever society as whole provides. And in the US we have people saying "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" non-ironically, not realizing the whole fucking point of that phrase is that recovering from poverty in the US is extremely difficult.

That money is better spent on helping people who are not able to afford basic necessities, because that is why a lot of people commit property crime.

I suggest you actually open up some studies on this subject because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Or just open up a chart reflecting the economy over the decades and compare it with property crime rates.

The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world by both headcount and percentage of the population. How's that working for us? We have one of the higher property and violent crime rates among developed nations. Far higher than nations where criminals are imprisoned for rehabilitation, not to punish. Things like giving them a cell that looks like a bedroom, not pen in an animal shelter.

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>That money is better spent on helping people who are not able to afford basic necessities, because that is why a lot of people commit property crime.

Do you have anything to back this up? You think people are stealing because they lack basic necessities? How are you defining this?

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The idea is that it lowers the number of thieves.
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Police here don’t even care to help if your car is stolen and you have GPS on it. Cameras and jail do nothing to help protect your property if the police refuse to work.
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Where I live that’s a win win for thieves. Earn money stealing a bike, have a roof over your head and free food.
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Aside from the fact that there's little to no actual evidence (not funded by flock cherry-picking, and doing a lot of extremely thin correlation/causation nonsense...

No, it's actually solved by providing social safety net programs and managing the economy to have entry level accessible jobs that pay a living wage. People steal because they run out of other options. The cost of flock contracts would be far better spent on food pantries, job counseling, emergency housing...

There is nearly zero correlation between the number of police and the amount of crime.

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Cameras don't solve crimes, Flock or otherwise, unless the cops consider the crime serious. It is almost universal that cops don't consider bike theft serious. This is beginning to change in a few cities but not most.
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From what I can tell, they are mostly fully occupied with dealing with emergency situations and domestic violence calls. There isn’t the resources allocated to searching for bikes. Especially when there often isn’t much to go off.

Making the search process easier makes locating stolen stuff becomes more of an office job that’s cheaper to do so the math works out better.

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But Google's AI told me that Flock cameras are full of gold, so I steal those instead of bikes!

https://www.techspot.com/news/113381-google-ai-told-people-f...

AngryData> No one goes around stealing bikes just because they want to do bad things.

But people go around stealing Flock cameras because they want to do good things.

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You don’t gotta be impossible to steal from, you just gotta be more annoying to steal from than the next guy.
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They will still steal your seat, lights, wheel, and any other bit they can get.

Sure you can use all number of locks, security bolts, and stripping the bike down yourself every time you leave it, but it’s sucks. You’d rather public spaces just be safe.

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Just follow the old Eve online adage - don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

If there's lot of theft and you can't store bike at a secure place - have a cheap bike.

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Yes that's the compromise we have had to live with. But some countries like Singapore and China are showing it is actually possible to just solve theft so you don't have to deal with your bike being stolen.
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There are places in the US like this as well, but are general smaller / tight knit. I don't know of any high trust dense urban areas.
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Well said by somebody who's very obviously never used a bicycle as their primary mode of transportation ;)
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