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by 271834 hours ago |

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by LPisGood4 hours ago|

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Here are some things that are abundantly clear to me.

1.) LLMs are useful for programming

2.) Open models are excellent and will continue to improve

3.) Economies of scale and ease of access mean self hosting is out of the question for a large number of users

This means that even if the largest labs are not worth trillions and a large amount of the data center build out is not as valuable as the builders project and GPU/RAM prices plummet, it will not matter at all for this business. People will want to buy cheap open source tokens from a centralized trusted provider.

$7 billion for a business with little overhead that is already within their core competency and has strategic growth potential seems like a very good deal.

by blobbers3 hours ago|

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What does openrouter actually do though? They buy a bunch of tokens from token providers and allow you to easily route queries between token processors?

This seems like the kind of thing that you can have Claude write in an afternoon for whatever service you're running. I don't see the value.

by skybrian4 minutes ago|

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My understanding is that it’s a common LLM API with common billing for multiple LLM providers. You can switch between LLM providers whenever you like, and the way you pay for API usage doesn’t change. You don’t even need to create an account with the LLM provider.

I don’t use OpenRputer, but exe.dev has a similar feature. I choose which LLM to use in a pulldown menu.

But the downside of this is that you’re paying API prices, which are much higher than subscription prices.

So, recently they added a way to connect a ChatGPT subscription and I mostly use that. But I can try out other models any time.

So this doesn’t seem like all that much of a moat to me, but it’s still a convenient service to have, since you aren’t going to set up billing with all the LLM providers in an afternoon. I expect there will be multiple competitive business.

Compare with what distributors do for physical goods.

by sipjca3 hours ago|

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people are lazy

people don't want to maintain infra (ie adding new models all the time)

people want their queries to work without thinking

if a provider goes down, openrouter queries dont (ideally)

it's really not that complex to understand

by byzantinegene34 minutes ago|

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i think plenty of people don't want to be forced to using just Claude and ChatGPT

by 271833 hours ago|

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Unfortunately we don't really know anything about OpenRouter or Stripe's numbers. They're both private companies. AFAIK there really isn't much information publicly available about how profitable or not OpenRouter actually is, or whether it has a little or a lot of overhead. So I can't really say whether $7B is reasonable or inflated. It seems like an enormous number, and my hunch is like all the other enormous numbers floating around in the AI space it's probably inflated by the hype bubble. But we just don't know.

Broadly I agree with you. It seems like they have an in-demand product and there could be a sustainable business there at least in principle. But whether it's a $7B business or a $70M business I can't say.

by doctorpangloss3 hours ago|

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depends what the tulips are. tokens? private growth stage shares?

openrouter is involved with a lot of scammy crypto personalities. maybe they are the tulips people have been manic about for too long. maybe the collisons are the tulips.