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to the point though: most of that overthinking is useless if you have a proper redirect message. So setting arbitrary budget and getting it a good message will do the trick regardless of what type of thinking it's doing. The reason thinking seems to work is that it's just trying to find an optimum outside the local optimum, and the thinking trace helps find it.

The only think I could think that'd be better than the --reasoning-budget would bet a budget jitter just in case it really is repeating a pattern and you want to escape it arbitrarily, otherwise yes, it could keep looping if you're always cutting at the wrong time.

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> The reason thinking seems to work is that it's just trying to find an optimum outside the local optimum, and the thinking trace helps find it.

Yes, I think I finally have an intuitive sense for that. But surely on a longer prompt it is still better for the final response if the thinking has at least brushed past all of the prompt?

One of the things I witnessed with xhigh is that while the thinking trace starts out intending an overview of the prompt, it actually can go fully down a rabbit hole off one of the first two or three bullet points even when it was seemingly intending not to.

It’s basically a lot like me. Gets sidetracked by the interesting bits.