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by bulgur9994 hours ago |
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upvoteby unpopularopp4 hours ago|
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I’m going to take the bait:

I know a lot of people don't like that but sometimes I feel that FOSS projects are intentionally sabotaging themselves by ignoring industry standard options/conventions and instead they are following open source ideas just to be different. GIMP is the perfect example of that and generally speaking UI/UX is the main symptom.

Blender was able to move forward by not listening to the FOSS crowd but to the industry. And see where are they now compared to GIMP.

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upvoteby ChrisGreenHeur3 hours ago|
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important here to remember that Blender was created within the industry as a commercial tool. When open sourced the leader of the project remained and knew quite well what separated a good creative tool from a bad one. It was always situated in a position where the core users were either hobbyists or professionals.

Gimp was never in such a situation.

Culture is important.

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upvoteby berkes3 hours ago|
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> Culture is important

Which brings us back to why so many people dislike Gimp, and/or see it as a posterchild example of bad FOSS alternatives.

I agree, and Culture IS important. And I think the culture around many Open Source "Alternatives" is harming themselves and the overall FOSS community. From Mastodon via Gimp to Nextcloud.

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upvoteby graemep3 hours ago|
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Even the name is self sabotage.
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upvoteby BlackRing2 hours ago|
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It's a clever name. What's your beef with it?
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upvoteby johannes12343211 hours ago|
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It's a term often interpreted as derogatory for a group of people. (Disabled people)
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upvoteby ShadowOfThePit38 minutes ago|
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What? How? GIMP is just some latex thing, what does it have to do with disabled people?
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upvoteby em-bee6 minutes ago|
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you haven't heard about it because it's no longer commonly used (for good reason), but it's there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimp#Other_uses
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upvoteby drbscl1 hours ago|
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If I told my parents I'm "using GIMP", I will get some very concerned looks.
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upvoteby bulgur9993 hours ago|
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So GIMP has a larger user base than Blender, what is your point ?
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upvoteby Gualdrapo3 hours ago|
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I don't know what it has to do with anything - GIMP has been around for a while and has been the de facto FOSS alternative for photoshop for so long. That doesn't make that several of its UX and UI decisions are at least questionable nor make that comment you're replying any less true.

Not to mention the fact that if you ever mention in any way that GIMP's UX/UI could be better to anyone of its veteran devs they would turn weirdly ultra defensive and take everything personal.

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upvoteby graemep3 hours ago|
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Blender is something routinely recommend by normies. Gimp is not.

Blender is a very popular, maybe the most popular, for the tasks its used for. Gimp is not.

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upvoteby rplnt3 hours ago|
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Market share might be more relevant when we're comparing products with different market sizes.
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upvoteby igleria3 hours ago|
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I love that GIMP exists but... I have to say, it never got rid of the "backend developer doing frontend" feeling, and I've been aware of Gimp for 20 years now (did not know how to...ehem, run photoshop in my teens)
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upvoteby herrherrmann4 hours ago|
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… and the sizes of their updates are usually impressive! Seems to be a big project that is managed well to keep a good pace and keep the community in the loop. (Although I don’t know much about their inner workings.)
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upvoteby lukan4 hours ago|
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Do you have your special dark mode glasses on?

Because I fail to see all the comments here as negative and unfounded. (and my guess why there is often negativity towards GIMP, is because it was too often advertised as a adequate Photoshop replacement, which it is not, so people got disappointed with it)

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upvoteby dm3193 hours ago|
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It's a great piece of software. Best feature - not having your colours retrospectively removed from your project [1].

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/graphic_design/comments/rdtodb/adob...

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upvoteby dist-epoch20 minutes ago|
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Photoshop is removing something that GIMP doesn't even have - PANTONE colors.
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upvoteby rimliu3 hours ago|
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Yes, it is very pleasant to have it around. Especially when you switch to something else.
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upvoteby phendrenad23 hours ago|
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Furthermore, it's free software. If people have a problem with it, they're free to show up and contribute, or fork if the community is really opposed to their ideas (they probably are for good reason, though).
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upvoteby MrVandemar2 hours ago|
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I can guarantee that anyone turning up and contributing or forking this project will not lead to the outcome of a improved piece of software.

It will lead to someone with the insight on how to make actual material improvements frustrated and angry that they don't have the technical skill (or time) to grapple with a complex codebase, and the people with the technical skill working on the codebase dismiss people with actual knowledge in different domains.

"Patches welcome" is not any kind of welcome. It's basically a euphemism for "fuck off, I don't want to have a conversation to make something better, I just want to hack on Feature X".

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upvoteby ChocolateGod1 hours ago|
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> "Patches welcome" is not any kind of welcome. It's basically a euphemism for "fuck off

Yeh, this line is very common in that project that rhymes with chrome.

Meanwhile contributed features get stuck at "needs design team" for years.

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