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I once tried to use GIMP and gave up after 2 hours and got the task done in figma in 10 minutes. GIMP is a UX atrocity. The interface is a cluttered mess of meaningless panels and buttons. Worst for me is i'd spend 15 mins googling/reading how to do something, look for the corresponding buttons for 10 minutes, be unable to find them, and later discover they were on a panel that wasn't enabled by default (I didn't even know you had to enable panels; i'd assumed everything that was available was there in front of me). On macOS some panels randomly disappear behind other programs.

It was like using a computer program in your dreams where things don't really have to make sense.

My theory is this is a classic OSS problem where everyone wants to contribute their pet feature but the project lacks discipline and nobody wants to remove, organise, and improve (especially where the latter can be 10x harder and more tedious then the former). This could be an argument for opinionated leaders in OSS projects, because at least they'll say 'no' and do things 'their' way a lot of the time, which is often better than the 'anything goes' philosophy.

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It's been like this forever. Always been "photoshop but harder to use".
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Friendly reminder to everyone that https://photopea.com exists. If you are used to Photoshop, then the UI will be quite familiar.

I only need to do somewhat basic stuff these days, so photopea.com is more than enough for me. However, now that I look it has tons of new features. Nothing to install, is ad-sponsored by default, and runs entirely client-side.

IIRC, this is a lone developer, who has previously refused what seemed like lucrative catch & kill acquisition offers.

Here is a post with lots of info:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33334521

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We actually have a design site where we ask for user feedback and UX/UI improvement suggestions: https://gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/GIMP/Design/gimp-ux/-/work_it...

I share this link a lot in the hopes that more people take us up on it, and provide specifics on where problem areas are for their workflow. So many people use GIMP in so many different ways, even something that seems "obviously bad" to one group might not be encountered by others.

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Why not add a "Photoshop" theme? You select it in some option or on install, and it turns into something looking like Photoshop.
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We're working on an extension platform, and once that's up and running we'll probably reach out to PhotoGIMP developers (https://github.com/Diolinux/Photogimp) and see if they want to host it there.

Then people can easily download and install it directly in GIMP, hopefully making everyone happy.

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From tfa

> A lot of new and existing contributors have submitted improvements to GIMP’s user interface and its user experience. We wanted to highlight their efforts, and encourage you all to continue sharing your feedback on our design issue tracker.

I see no active resistance. If you have feedback, maybe share it with them?

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Between GIMP releases we saw entire graphics pipelines, conventions and workflows come and go. We had the Affinity suite, Canva, Paint.net, Clip Paint Studio, Sketch, various attempts from Adobe at expanding beyond the Photoshop ecosystem (Anyone remembers XD?), probably something else I’m missing right now. Now we’re in the age of Figma, with its own UI and quirks.

At this point it’s probably easier to accept that the GIMP UI is simply what GIMP developers want it to be.

True, it doesn’t make a lick of sense, but the same could be said about Turbotax, Jira, SAP… or God may have mercy on your soul, Avid Pro Tools.

It is what it is. It’s not like there are no alternatives anymore.

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The attitude partly affects GNOME too, any time you'd constructively criticize it on places like their Issue tracker or r/gnome, their defenders would come with pitchforks at you. Glad I moved to KDE nearly a decade ago.
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Gnome does UX and UI very well, though.
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It could also be that the Gimp team and community wants their software a certain way, and I don't see why one should disrespect that?

Those who disagree are welcome to fork- and maintain it, if the users see value in it, they'll switch.

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It's just sad. Nobody wants to fork it because nobody uses GIMP, so forks get almost no traction. People love the effort and commitment, install it, try it for a couple of tasks, fail, and never come back. It has built up this reputation of being terrible, and no one wants to give it a second chance after their first impression.

I think it's a lesson in how not to run an open-source project. I put it in the same category as Darktable, which gives off that exact same bad first impression.

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darktable is at least slowly actually getting better... I like what blender managed to do.
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