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or Tinfoil [0]? They serve open models with container integrity attested by Nvidia/AMD enclaves. Every cloud provider offers this of course, but not usually in a way that can be shared between distrusting users for economical inference. It still relies on the open-source containers being secure, and there's probably hardware sidechannels and stuff, but personally (ie privacy not liability) I trust it more than a contract

[0] https://tinfoil.sh

by johnnyApplePRNG16 minutes ago|

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Their prices are extremely high compared to the competition on https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-0731 fyi.

tinfoil asks more than 10x the output cost ... $1.90 per 1M tokens instead of $0.18 per 1M tokens for my favorite model (Deepseek V4 Flash 0731) on my favorite provider (DeepInfra) currently, for example.

by Qwuke8 hours ago|

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I loaded credits into Tinfoil the other day and have had zero issues, thanks to smart folks around here and the security space recommending it.

It's now my open weight inference provider of choice, since on top of the privacy/security characteristics it's also reasonably cheap.

by johnnyApplePRNG18 minutes ago|

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Deepinfra is US based and has ZDR FYI.

I am quite happy with them so far.

by c0rruptbytes11 hours ago|

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plenty of companies offer ZDR and are just as random as OpenAI and Anthropic in their age

by xmonkee11 hours ago|

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Would love a few names. Many of them fail to provide good uptime for large scale jobs or don’t have batch apis at all in my research.

by HDBaseT8 hours ago|

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DigitalOcean does inference, has good uptime and offers ZDR. They are not an AI first/inference first company. They have been serving cloud products for almost 2 decades.

Batch API is a bit harder, not many models/providers support Batch. It primarily is only the Gemini/ChatGPT/Claude models that do. DigitalOcean does support a 50% discount on Batch API via them directly, not listed on OpenRouter.

[1] https://docs.digitalocean.com/products/inference/how-to/use-...

by dataplumb3r11 hours ago|

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You do not have a ZDR with Anthropic.

For Mythos and even Fable they require prompt retention on their end.

edit: or more precisely if you want to access Mythos/Fable ZDR does not apply, and depending on config the exclusion can affect other models.

by mrngld2 hours ago|

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I don't have experience directly with Anthropic, but I wouldn't assume anything with such high confidence without knowing the persons situation. No, an individual off the street or with an LLC and 5 employees isn't going to get a special deal from someone like Anthropic.

But if their employer is bringing millions of dollars of potential spend to the table, can tell you from years of experience that turns a lot of 'no's' to 'yes'.

by robbru10 minutes ago|

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I use Notion Enterprise specifically for its Zero Data Retention (ZDR) access. Fable does not offer ZDR, so Notion provides a dedicated settings toggle that disables Fable outright.

by kasey_junk1 hours ago|

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I work for a large enterprise and fable/mythos are specifically banned because of the difference in data retention agreements from those models to other Anthropic models.

by joshheitzman10 hours ago|

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by 10101110 hours ago|

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There's a huge jump between OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, and every other major player distilling the internet into LLMs and deliberately breaking a mutually signed contract between them and another business.

As for ZDR and court-orders, what would you rather happen there? Violate the law or comply with holding the data? I would bet that any ZDR agreement has this court-ordered risk mutually understood and agreed upon.