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> Israel has been defending itself against for 78 years in both the physical and informational domain, and will continue to do so, just like any other country on earth.

Of course we could argue any country try to defend itself, but an ever expanding bellicose colony stealing lands from adjacent countries is hardly what could be described as a "defending" stance.

> People need to wake up to the one-sided lies of the antizionist hate movement that single it out and want to destroy it and its people.

The end of a State doesn't mean the end of its citizens. It simply mean that a state apparatus and power structure is taken down and replaced by something else.

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How would you envision the end of the state?
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> ever expanding bellicose colony stealing lands from adjacent countries is hardly what could be described as a "defending" stance.

Asides from the idea that Jews can colonise Judea, Israel returned Sinai to Egypt and left Gaza in 2005 only returning after the recent Hamas murder/rape rampage, which shows ‘ever expanding’ to be an obvious lie.

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The bodies of dead children speak for themselves.
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Yes! Hamas deliberately attacked Jewish children like the Bibas twins and that girl that watched her father slaughtered whereas the IDF put Israeli soldiers lives on the line to avoid civilian casualties.
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Yes, but statistically Israel (IDF + settlers) commits crimes like that on a daily (sometimes hourly) basis.
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> the IDF put Israeli soldiers lives on the line to avoid civilian casualties.

Nonsense.

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Defensive ethnic cleansing, defensive genocide...
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You don't start an international terrorist movement, bomb british colonial authorities, use money to influence british colonial authorities, create armed miliciais and massively finance migration to a land that is owner by other people, kill and expell them by violent means from their cities, homes and farms, use your influence to force the UN to partition the land giving the majority and the best land for you, and then ignores this partition wanting even more land and then you get to call it defense.
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By owned by other people you meant the Ottomans, right?

Cause they seemed to be just fine selling that land.

Also “ignoring the partition”? Literally the day the partition was adopted, the Arab league attacked Israel. 6 nations to 1, yet Israelis outsmarted them all (which is why you keep hating us).

Read more here (not TikTok) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

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Afaik it was forbidden to sell lands in Palestine to Jewish people, though I don't think it was that effective in stopping lands being bought out by Jewish people due to weak central authority and worsening economy.
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My dude, how on earth could you look at stuff like https://www.ft.com/content/f6b953fc-a6ad-48cd-bed1-d42619b57... and not realize you have completely lost the plot? Seriously...
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Who knew that seizing the literal holy land and expelling most of the native population would make the neighbors angry?
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About equal numbers of Palestinians were displaced from the new, UN sanctioned state of Israel, as Jews from adjoining states. And many many more people have been displaced since then. While undoubtedly tragic, most displaced people at some point move on with their lives, and stop terrorising their neighbours and the world.
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> While undoubtedly tragic, most displaced people at some point move on with their lives, and stop terrorising their neighbours and the world.

The irony is that this statement (which I disagree with) could be applied equally well to both Israel and the Palestinians.

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"Okay, we stole the country and expelled the native population, but they should just get over it and move on."

It would be easier for the Palestinians to just move on if millions of them didn't live under 59 years of Israeli military occupation, with no end in sight. They have no way of moving on, because the IDF controls their lives, and Israeli settlers are taking their land piece-by-piece.

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Therefore it is ok to commit genocide, ethnic cleansing and steal land two generstions later?

Israeli leadership is as fascist as it gets. Openly so.

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If that ethnic group assembles a military group that invades your border and slaughters 1200 of your people in 1 day, then retaliation is expected. FAFO.

But I suspect you know nothing about Jews besides social media.

Next thing you’ll say we’re not native to that land right? We only lived in the middle east forever, but our food is cultural appropriation too, right?

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Explain to me like I'm 5, how a nation capable of such propaganda to install bombs in communication devices, hacked to be bought by leaders of terrorist organizations, capable of bombing the leader of Iran did NOT know about this attack? And if they did know, didn't do anything to prepare for it?
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When you get a bit older you will realize that just because someone does amazing things doesn’t mean they are omnipotent and omniscient.

Also, there was a strong political will to try a peaceful approach to Gaza (with thousands of Gazans coming in to Israel for work every day), and with the belief that Hamas wants a peaceful approach as well.

Hamas is planning further attacks now, what do you suggest Israel do about it?

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And when we both get a bit older, it may come to light that a state leader let this happen, hopefully history will show reality for what it was.

Still, that doesn't absolve Hamas from any actions done, they are terrorists at it's core and the worst type, they are willing to use civilians(and babies) to further their agenda, I don't condone them and personally and think the world would be a better place without them(as any other extremist)

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All you have is speculative conspiracy theories and a “hope” that your imaginary facts are true.

What you are actually doing is trying to blame the victim for “allowing” it to happen.

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Retaliation by starving and shooting over 20000 kids?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/lapid-says-netanyahu-knew-for-...

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Do you mean human shields?

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/24/middleeast/palestinians-h...

Genocide denial is not cool. Do you really think Hamas, who has 40000 fighters, had 20000 kid soldiers? You're crazy!

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> Next thing you’ll say we’re not native to that land right? We only lived in the middle east forever

There were very few Jews in Palestine for nearly 2000 years. The founders of Israel were almost all Europeans, and their families had been European for almost 2000 years.

This would be like the Italians showing up today and claiming that they are the rightful owners of France, because Gaul was a Roman province before 500 AD.

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> If that ethnic group assembles a military group that invades your border and slaughters 1200 of your people in 1 day, then retaliation is expected. FAFO.

Note that I said ethnic cleansing and genocide, both go on and went on for years. Also, it is Israel who is expanding, putting settlers in places where they should not be. The idea that the ethnic group being pushed away is not allowed to defend themselves and if they do they should be subject of genocide is literally fascist.

Israel is not engaged in self defence as much as they are engaged in aggression.

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