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It's funny how quickly we went from "the greedy US companies are subsidizing prices to keep competitors out of the market" to "the greedy US companies are overcharging because they are greedy."
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They are subsidizing the non-API use cases and overcharging on the API use cases.
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I'm not happy about it, but API prices seem actually reasonable if you compare it to free-market pure inference providers. They need to buy the same power, same hardware as the big labs without needing any R&D. This means that the coding plans must be subsidized. I'm not happy about that, because it means we'll be paying more, until hardware and maybe power drops in price, which, if we look at e.g. the housing market, may never happen during my lifetime.
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It's interesting if they need to cut off their subscriptions to be able to compete in API prices. Very interesting...
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No, almost everyone has been in agreement that they’re subsidizing subscriptions, but there have literally been dozens (hundreds?) of threads on HN in the past 12 months with people vehemently arguing that API prices are subsidized.
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I think both can be true - they're losing money on the API and they're still charging too much. Which is really where the music stops for American AI investment. I also use K3 now and its perfectly capable for the development work I'm doing. I don't shed any tears for OpenAI or Anthropic.
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That's why Claude access was blocked for OpenClaw. They were utilizing non-API use cases credits for what should be API use cases.
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I shifted from DeepSeek v4 Flash 0731 to Gemini 3.7 flash on openrouter and price shoots up almost double with no visible change in outcome. So, today I reverted back.
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Openrouter is going to cost you a lot more than the 5% fee, unless you lock the provider.
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Try DS through their own API if that's feasible, AFAIK they're much cheaper than through OS due to cache hit rates.
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Is there actually a difference in cache rates between OR and official API? I have a preset set up on OR so that I only send traffic to deepseek. The preset is important otherwise you will send traffic to different providers but if you weren't doing this already then what can I say, water is wet, of course cache rates will be awful. I get about 70% cache hit rate with the preset which is appropriate for what I'm doing. I haven't used the official API though.
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Zenmux say the cache hit rate is 98% for the deepseek flash API. I don't know why, but performance is definitely worse using openrouter.

https://zenmux.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash

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They just raised their prices sadly.
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I was struck by a video ad that Google released yesterday with testimonials by three developers about using Gemini 3.7 Flash [1]. The point they emphasize most is price, followed by latency. The marketing strategy definitely seems to be shifting.

[1] https://youtu.be/kacf2bib-X0

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> Opus or Sol in our use cases, with a fraction of the price.

I assume it's highly use case dependent, though?

Even before the price cut seems like Sol was price competitive with Kimi

https://artificialanalysis.ai/models?models=gpt-5-6-sol-xhig...

And now it should be considerably cheaper

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Long-context agentic tasks and Rust engineering are our use cases where Kimi definitely is better than Sol. We can measure our own systems and the numbers say that Sol has no chance against K3 or Opus, and K3 is so so so much cheaper than Opus right now.

You cannot just look at the price tags for these models, you must eval and see the price per task. In our previous eval rounds Sol was more expensive than Opus (with its original price), took much longer, and provided worse results. Kimi does not have these issues, it's just as good as Opus with a smaller price tag.

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China's 50 Cent Party being a real and noticeable thing (and the two biggest things they like to shill is open weight Chinese models and the futility of resisting a Taiwan invasion), I have to take things like this with a healthy dose of skepticism without corroborating data, since independent evals didn't show the price per task lead you're showing.

If there's independent data showing this feel free to share a link, I haven't seen it. DeepSWE has been most closely matching what I see in my own use.

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Internal reports from company? Maybe not. I'm just saying you have to eval eval eval if you are working in this industry. There's a ton of victories in price, and price is right now the key thing all the customers are talking about.

It's not always Chinese models. For example GLM 5.2 just did not work for us at all. And Gemini is still the best cheap model for non-text agents.

If you don't have a good eval set and if you don't check the models weekly, you are missing on things. And Opus 4.8 is still the absolute quality king for agentic tasks. Too bad it's so expensive.

And the clearest thing here is that Fable, Opus, and Sol are all too expensive. I'd say a healthy 75% cut to token prices and they are back in competition.

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> I'd say a healthy 75% cut to token prices and they are back in competition.

Surely you don't want them to be the reason the bubble bursts?

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Yep. It's a bit scary also. There's a lot of opportunity in the market now, but the downfall of the big US inference labs is going to hurt here in EU too sadly...
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> And these models are not going away, nor their prices going up [...]

Well, DeepSeek just raised prices.

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And Fireworks did not yet. They are still under the limit of not feasible to self host... Let's see if other providers follow DeepSeek with their flash pricing.
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Tell me why price adv not working this same on web pages. Why price od advertisment on portals, social media etc. not fall down?
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