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If your circle of empathy doesn’t include fruit flies, endeavor to expand your circular of empathy until it does.

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If your circle of empathy includes fruit flies, shrink and prune until it no longer does.
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How small should my circle of empathy be? Obviously humans are included, or ...?
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Only shareholder bank accounts and your own.
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You’re clearly not a top-level CEO; keep pruning.
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With this code, the only things we can eat would be fruits where we diligently plant its seeds (plants are also living things and fruits are the offerings in return we should sow its seeds) :-)
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Ever met a Jain?
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AFAIK, Jains consume diary products.
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You tell me where the consumption of dairy products must result in harm to the cow. I grew up around small-scale, subsistence-level dairy farming, it doesn’t inherently require any more suffering than either egg-harvesting or apple-growing inherently do.

A Jain doesn’t have to purchase milk from a factory farmer.

And AFAIK even the most stringent vegans don’t brush insects from their path with every step, or avoid onions and carrots because it causes death.

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1. Artificial insemination without consent 2. Birth and all of its pain and potential complications 3. Removal of offspring as early as possible to repeat steps 1 and 2 and so prolong lactation 4. Mastitis

All of these result in suffering much worse than egg harvesting imo. Reluctant dairy eater btw

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1 is unnecessary and wasn’t present for most of history, 2 is a natural consequence of cattle being cattle, even without humans, but today we have both painkillers and bovine veterinarians, 3 is, again, not strictly necessary unless you’ve made the mistake of falling for the profit motive, and 4 is much more of a problem from a calves mouth parts than from a suitably gloved and balmed human hand.

Human beings can engage in subsistence-level dairy consumption without causing suffering beyond that already present in the reproduction cycle of cattle. They choose not to. I never said dairy farmers were or would choose to be moral, just that they aren’t required to be immoral by dairy production itself.

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> avoid onions and carrots because it causes death

onions and carrots do not experience suffering. even if they did, most plants are grown for non-human animal feed. so the best way to reduce "plant suffering" would be to stop exploiting non-human animals.

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If we are really into an ethics discussion, enslaving a species to drink milk meant for their newborns would be an issue.
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Are you seriously suggesting that we should have empathy for ... fruit flies? Speechless
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Why would you choose not to have empathy for a living creature?
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"A living creature" is a low fucking bar.

Bacteria are living creatures. And your body is wired to exterminate them so that they don't eat it alive from the inside. Because the moment those defenses falter, they will do exactly that.

Consider saving your empathy for things that matter.

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Because lice are also living creatures. And I have no empathy for them, and hopefully never will.
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Lice have no choice in their lot in the universe. Do you think if they had intelligence the ability to choose their lot that they would choose their current one again? I doubt it personally. You can detest their mode of existence whilst still having empathy for them I think
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Counterexample: Humans are lice to the ecosystem of Earth, and we choose to be that way.
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I do, and I hopefully will eventually get to leeches too.
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Why not ? Do you think that in the grand scheme of the universe you are more important than a fruit fly ?
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I'd hope so! The way that a planet is more important than a snowball.
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Depends a great deal on the planet and the snowball, doesn’t it?

But, that said, a mark of being more important than a lesser being would kind of be the virtue of still empathizing with that being, even if we assume there’s a hierarchy.

And considering you and I are really just elaborate transport vessels for E. Coli and a lot of fungal spores, I’m not sure we should assume there’s a hierarchy.

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Why?
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Self-improvement, for one.
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