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"Don't post generated text or AI-edited text. HN is for conversation between humans."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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sorry, I thought it might be interesting to see the backstory of the company. I also clearly marked that part of my comment is from ChatGPT.

I can delete my comment, though.

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Sorry - that probably came across as more passive-aggressive that I mean it. Just wanted to point out that guideline. People have easy access to AI, so they can always ask it for a summary if they want to and it doesn't really add anything to the discussion.
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upd: removed ai-edited text from my comment
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Worth noting that quoting and citing an LLM is miles better than just pasting AI generated text and passing it as your own.

AND, if you are too harsh on the former, you incentivize the latter.

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At this point I believe that when people do not cite using AI to generate their comment it's from a position of malice... like you're intentionally trying to position yourself as capable in whatever subject you're talking on but realistically you are not given the reliance on an LLM. Not saying anything about OP but just a general observation/opinion I've been building recently. Seems more common than ever to larp using AI.
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I did it once when I tried vibecoding, to a friend, nothing professional, and I watched myself stop at the explanation of how I did something. I think it comes from a place of desire, self delusion and shame (of not being able to do it alone), very similar to lying in general, people lie about what they want to be the truth.
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> quoting and citing an LLM is miles better

Not really. If someone is interested in an LLM's opinion, they can ask it themselves, all LLM providers are one browser tab away.

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I'm as antiAI as many. And this isn't a great example, but there's can be value added in both the context and the prompt. E.g:

"I recall topic X being related to fact Y.

Chatgpt says this when asked about how Y relates to X

"blablabla"

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Is that 100M of openrouter revenue? Or money that flows through openrouter? If the latter, 100M$ annualized looks like very little. It's as if a bank said that it has 100M$ of annual transfers, instead of 100M in revenue from bank fees and such.

Hard to think of any type of company that can do the topline meme as effectively as a compute aggregator proxy. Almost like a bitcoin pool mining company counting their shared miners.

Really? 100M annual? That HAS to be profit, it can't be this crazy.

EDIT: From their website, they say they have 200T monthly tokens, at 10 cents per M token ( optimistic average between free tokens and expensive tokens) that's 20M$/month, which is roughly 240M$.

Bonus track: here's chatgpt completely fumbling the above very simple calculation

https://chatgpt.com/share/6a85f831-9118-83e9-8a06-d32195c557...

I don't doubt the chinese bootleg product that openrouter is peddling is even worse than that.

We are in a bubble confirmed.

Sorry for the negativity, but this is highly bearish news.

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We are in a bubble, but you are looking at this in the wrong way. OpenRouter basically creates lock-in through Stripe's distribution and family of products; it is much stronger within Stripe than alone. I agree valuations are absurd, but it is what it is. But if we have to go through a bubble for a16z to crash and burn, I am all for it.
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So customers use OpenRouter to avoid lock-in to specific model providers, and in doing so they lock-in into openrouter's aggregation API?

Lock-in to what exactly? A string(string) function without any further restrictions? Note that aggregator users will not use more specific parameter features (because those vary by vendor), or they escape the aggregator and lock-in directly string(string, vendorOptions={"openAI.logprobs":true})

Selling vendor lock-in to vendor lock-in avoidant customers sounds like a losing proposition, like trying to beat competition on price and undercutting, which is a thing openrouter does too btw, the main reason people use these products is to get cheaper prices. I don't think 2$/M tokens is expensive, and I don't think those that try to cut costs are going to win, whether devs cutting token costs, or small business owners with 5 employees who look at AI as a way to fire 2 of them. I get that the other end of the spectrum is overspending and tokenmaxxing, but the conclusion is that extremes are bad? Nothing new here.

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