Hoorah! Hopefully big distros will at least offer an optional upgrade to this.
replyI'm all for people switching to wayland but there should be choice and xorg should not be neglected for ideological reasons.
Xorg isn't neglected for "ideological reasons", it's neglected because development is work - and most of the people with knowledge of the problem domain decided they didn't want to work on Xorg anymore, and most of the companies that were paying for it decided they didn't want to pay for it anymore (apart from baseline maintenance, Xwayland and security fixes). And the people who want Xorg support maintained in perpetuity rarely seem interested in maintaining Xorg themselves, at least not properly (see this history of Xlibre introducing bugs and LLM slop).
replyYou are free to spend your own time and resources doing the work, but you don't get to dictate how other people spend theirs.
Modesetting work was done in 2022, but for some reason no one had released a new stable release of the Xserver with this patch included since then. This was one of the reasons Xlibre was created, there was all these improvements to Xorg sitting ready for release but never being released.
replyExactly. Just think about how much work it was to move from X to Wayland, how Nvidia didn't want to play ball, how different the architectures are, in a world where ossification is very much a thing. AND STILL there was enough momentum to get all the major players on board. I have never done any X programming but it must have been bad when people would so readily jump ship and put all that work in. Same for systemd.
replyWayland was simpler because it was just a compositor. It meant people interested in graphics acceleration could focus on just that, iterating faster without the friction of the rest of the stack. But now that the Wayland ecosystem has to reinvent everything else, it's clearly at least as much work, if not more so. The initial switch moved the tightly knit rendering developers to a better local optimum, at the expense of a worse global optimum.
replyIt forces some kind of modularity. Maybe that is a good thing. We don't have all features of X11 in Wayland but we also have features in Wayland that are missing in X11. I have been on Wayland for a while now and I can't say I am really suffering. There are some tings I'd like improved further but the protocol is evolving all the time. I think we'll get there. Also the decision is already made by the big distros anyways. They seem to be mostly happy.
replyLuckily there is XLibre if the xorg developers can't develop X any more.
replyIf you want to use buggy software maintained by a conspiracy theorist because wayland is too woke for you them yeah sure.
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replyI don't care about either X, but that guy's name is in this release, and judging purely by the number of commits (since I lack X expertise to judge any other way), he seems to be the top contributor.
replyLooks like there's no way you can avoid "conspiracy theorists" if you want to use X, including Xwayland, eh?
It looks like it's under more active development currently, however I don't see them adding many big new features at this point.
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