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just as a point of comparison, google had 25,879 requests involving 42,500 accounts in approximately the same time period (january 1 through june 2013)

google complied with ~65% of the requests

("fun" tidbit: the number for the last half year are 304,915 requests for 748,478 accounts, and google complied with.... 98%!)

by hulitu3 hours ago|

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> google had ... requests

Official requests.

by john_strinlai3 hours ago|

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>Official requests.

obviously.

i dont have access to the number of gag-order requests, and if i did, i wouldnt be posting them on hn

by kakacik3 hours ago|

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Google's privacy ain't main/one of main selling point since we all know how things work in ad business.

If apple was principally against sharing those things they wouldnt be joining the very organization made for that.

Plus any public statement from anybody, unless forced by court, shouldnt be taken as facts. We have no way of knowing if it was 25k cases or 25 million cases, and they have no reason to tell such non-public truth if its harmful to them.

by john_strinlai3 hours ago|

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my comment is primarily to give a sense of scale.

you don't know whether "4,000 to 5,000 requests" is a lot or a little if you have no point of comparison.

i am not commenting on the conclusions, everyone should have the opportunity to draw those themselves.

by detourdog3 hours ago|

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I didn’t find this in the article where did this come from? I remember when Apple suddenly shutdown the developer network to deal with a security breach in 2013.

https://giga.law/daily-news/2013/07/22/apples-developer-site...

by autoexec4 hours ago|

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Whatever number they give publicly on how many US law enforcement requests they received you can be sure that number won't include anything they turned over the NSA which is probably everything in their cloud all of the time. We know they backdoored the devices (https://www.cultofmac.com/news/nsa-spyware-allegedly-gives-b...)

by paimapi3 hours ago|

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from NIST [0] to AT&T [1], the NSA has always had a backdoor into huge swathes of data created or transmitted through whatever means along with having Congress laws passed to retroactively make all of this collection legal [2]

it really makes you wish that the lesson the Ruby Ridge far-right took away was simple anti-authoritarianism and not the antisocial tendencies of racial separatism and a Judeo-Christian theocracy

[0] https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs181/projects/ethic... [1] https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/the-whistleblower-who-unc... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(...

by mistrial92 hours ago|

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I will argue that Judeo-Christian theocracy tempered even more egregious "rule by might and violence" that has always been a real factor

by lostlogin1 hours ago|

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> you can be sure that number won't include anything they turned over the NSA

Once the requests number in the tens or hundreds of thousands, including NSA requests isn’t going to result in ‘Ha, gotcha!’

Are any of the requests identifiable?

by jrexilius3 hours ago|

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You understand that there is difference between US law enforcement and the intelligence community? And that all service providers are required, by law in almost ALL countries, to respond to legal requests from their governments? What you are citing is not any serious evidence of some shadowy conspiracy between apple and the "government".. Not that I believe Apple's bullshit about protecting users privacy, but you're grasping at straws there.

by onetokeoverthe1 hours ago|

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