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by AngryData13 hours ago |
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upvoteby charcircuit12 hours ago|
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upvoteby exceptione12 hours ago|
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Be careful repeating slogans, in the long term they tend to blind the people that devised them to blind the mass. Self-delusion often ends in self-humiliation. The US is nothing without its partners, as the Iran fiasco has showed.

The Heritage Foundation's agenda is to isolate the USA and bring it back to the Gilded Age, which runs counter to the narrative of 'the greatest country on earth'. So far, the Heritage Foundation is making great progress with putting processes in motion that makes the downfall almost irreversible.

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upvoteby charcircuit6 hours ago|
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It's not a slogan. It's patriotism. And America is something even without partners.
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upvoteby crote4 hours ago|
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Is it?

How is America going to project its power without the ability to use overseas air bases? Is it going to do Falklands-style bombing runs to the Middle East, with 15 tankers to get a single small bomber to its target?

Is it going to accept an even higher defense budget, without the NATO's near-compulsory purchases from American weapons manufacturers?

If America can barely keep a single aircraft carrier functioning in the Middle East, how is it going to wage a proper overseas war?

America's might comes from its giant network of overseas forward bases. Take those away, and you're left with a smaller variant of China.

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upvoteby charcircuit4 hours ago|
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America is not just might. It has the best talent too. We don't need war to grow stronger.
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upvoteby exceptione3 hours ago|
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  > We don't need war to grow stronger.
Indeed. But you have to project power to enforce a rule-based order, free trade and all that. This made America wealthy while its allies financed (practically forced to) huge chunks of the military industrial complex.

With America isolated, the world becomes a 'might makes right' order. State level maffia. In that model, it is eating the other or getting eaten, zero sum. Now the extremist ideologists believe that in that order America will shine and will dominate everything in its sphere of influence, as will China do. That's why you keep hearing the claims on Greenland, Canada and South American countries. These aren't jokes, but when people cannot fit information in their frame of reference, they will put that information aside. A very human trait, but also a tragic weakness.

The conservative ideologues' thinking is that the USA will have local clashes with China over who will claim Africa's and Europe's resources. So no, it won't have to be a full out war, but lots of local wars around the world. If you want to have an idea where might makes right leads to, look at Russia which has been perpetually involved in colonial wars and wars of conquest.

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upvoteby 8note3 hours ago|
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america attracts the best talent, but that's also dependent in partners training experts and sending them to the US to make the largest best impact

china is already attracting its best talent back home, and nothing forces even american talent to stay in the US, when americans hate the smart and talented

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