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Possibly waiting for a reasonable replacement for US tech. For example, if the US should decide to shut off MasterCard and VISA services to Europe, it would create non-trivial difficulties for the European banking system.
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its also a one time trick for america, similar to the strait of hormuz

it would be so disruptive that europe would have to make and use an alternative, and then the US could not regain that market

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There is a reason the US is worried about things like Pix is Brazil. Viable alternatives are coming online that cuts them out of the set of power.
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Now imagine the costs for the oligarchs to let that not happen. 'Might makes right' also applies internally. When the rules don't apply you will see fiefdoms eating each other and white collar crime cranked up to the max. In these dynamics there is a reason to get from your clan a tsar in power who can guarantee some level of stability. If you see a lot of sycophancy displayed around the don you know why.
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EU has started that with the Wero project.

https://wero-wallet.eu/

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The banking system would probably be fine, only card payments would suffer but there are mostly already alternatives available.
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Geopolitics to make sense.
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the bilateral deals signed means we (the world, minus the US) is already divided. Got to scrap those deals first, which isn't going to happen. The shark has scattered the shoal and we're all going to get picked off - perpetually signing worse deals, then having to renegotiate again before signing ever worse terms.
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Why does any country need a deal with the US? Canada is more integrated than anybody and they are walking away. Canada believes productive trade with the rest of the world is better than a bad deal with the US. China was prepared to do the same. The world should take notice.
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Exactly. If Canada can do it, who can't??!?
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If Trump can scrap bilateral deals, then others can too, using similar tactics if necessary.
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Apparently all you have to do is impose a digital services tax and he'll rip it up for you.
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That tax would make a lot of sense, actually.
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tariffs on tech i think is harder than just not accepting US patents and IP, and refusing protections on it
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Honestly, if Trump keeps giving intelligence to Ukraine against Russia, then it was worth paying the (idiotic) tariffs.

That was the EUs top priority. The other issue was that each country had its own products they didn't want to lose sales from.

More generally, the EU isn't built for a world of presidential powers exercised at whom, which is becoming more of an issue this decade.

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There some sense that the structure of the EU is predicated on a stable rules based international order.
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> Honestly, if Trump keeps giving intelligence to Ukraine against Russia, then it was worth paying the (idiotic) tariffs.

But you already had that - this tariffs “deal” was just extortion, adding a tax for nothing

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Trump stopped intelligence sharing on Russia with Ukraine in spring last year while tariff negotiations with the EU were ongoing.
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That’s what I mean

Why did intel sharing stop ? To extract more from the EU: extortion

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> What are we waiting for.

Responsible governance around something like when and how to retaliate (if at all) against tariffs comes down to one of the most fundamental forces of economics and trade: real leverage. Whether or not the US should exercise its leverage to attain outsized and favorable terms on the economic stage is the peanut gallery conversation that happens on social media. The two worlds couldn't be farther apart. What will actually happen in the end is just a math equation that has never changed and will never change.

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That's just not true. Geopolitics isn't maths, never has been, never will be. Maths is an input amongst many, and doesn't decide the outcome.
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>> What are we waiting for.

For Europe to become fully self-sufficient when it comes to defense, for one thing.

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I think it can be Europe, Canada, Australia, and South Korea.

The world has the technology. Canada has the resources and the manufacturing capacity. Europe has the money. It can be done.

Look at Ukraine. They are becoming a military superpower in terms of technology and experience.

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Personally there are two sides to this that conflict.

Firstly, yes Europe and its allies are rapidly becoming more capable and are now funding said capabilities.

Secondly, it sadness me to see people cheering on the growth of the war/defense sector.

Tao Te Ching - Chapter 46

When the Way governs the world,

The proud stallions drag dung carriages.

When the Way is lost to the world,

War horses are bred outside the city.

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Europe has the money, the tech, the manufacturing capacity and the know-how. There is a reason Europe conquered the world in just a few years; the lady is way too good at war. One of the reasons post WOII we were quite satisfied with the idea of paying the USA with all kinds of privileges and support to their defense industry and have our own defenses knee-capped. War is horrible, we know that all too well. Reluctantly but surely the wheel has turned now. There are still gaps for intel gathering capabilities (think AWACS), but Saab is already working on alternatives. Also, Europe has to confront its inheritance of fragmentation (in which the USA has played a big role). Just look at all the various types of fighter jets being developed independently across Europe. That is very wasteful. Also, European armies have to incorporate the lessons from Ukraine. The Germans make the world's best tanks, but the advent of drones on the battlefield has shaken up all old mil. doctrines.

Aside 1: there are quite some areas where European weapon systems are state of the art, but you won't hear about that unless you are more in the know. The US is hurting itself here in a big way. Going alone = $$$$$$$$$$$$

Aside 2: The European Union has been conceived as an 'ever closer union' from the beginning as to lower the likelihood of new wars on the continent; something the USA pushed us to btw post-WOII. Canada and Australia have raw materials, something which Europe doesn't have abundantly. Sharing development costs across the free world is mainly why you see Canada, Japan, Australia etc having a heightened interest in Europe. There is world-wide a lot of interest in the European defense sector, but South Korea and Israel have also interesting defense sectors.

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The SAAB + Bombardier (Swedish + Canadian) GlobalEye AWACS already exists (in service in the UAE) and is superior to the US alternatives.
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> There is world-wide a lot of interest in the European defense sector, but South Korea and Israel have also interesting defense sectors.

I think Israel has become politically just as toxic as the USA (or moreso even). It seems incredibly unwise to make your defense industry dependent on a currently openly warmongering genocidal state.

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You are getting downvoted, but yes, this is something which can be observed already. The Israelian state has become a world-wide pariah state and that has repercussions for its own industry. Not in the USA, but I think this will quickly change even there. Germany is the exception here.
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> The Israelian state

Israeli?

edit: why was this downvoted lol, am I missing some meme about "Israelian"? That's not a word.

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> There is a reason Europe conquered the world in just a few years

that was a significant different europe than today.

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Sure! On the other hand, after WO II the French secured a lot of designs from Germany. The know-how, the continuous improvements, the manufacturing base is still here in Europe, this hasn't been lost. It is mostly a matter of scaling up, which is happening now.

What is different for post-war Europe is that the USA forced Europe to stop developing their own complex central pieces, making Europe fully dependent on the USA. These pieces are critical and expensive and forces/limits the design parameters of connected systems. This handicapped a lot of Europe grown hardware. These critical dependencies are getting patched away atm, but that will take time because they are complex and expensive.

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Yes, and thank god we Europeans got to be born in pax americana and not before, because there were wars nearly all the time for centuries, if not millenia.
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