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Using AI is kayfabe. What I mean is, you create interaction patterns that resemble how humans work. This is because it is what the models are trained on but also because we've all been trained to interact in this way. So it manipulates you into providing more useful prompts.

But I don't really want to play a part in a simulation, trying to cajole my scene partners into saying the lines I need them to say. I want to use a tool the same way I would use any other tool. If this is AI it should just do the thing. Anything else is an imperfection of the technology.

But at the same time, language is a vague communication medium. We have a precise language for describing forms of computation, but that's code so we're back at square one. We still haven't nailed the right amount of follow up and correction and interrupt-ability of these coding agents.

And we may never figure it out. It may simply be impossible. But it doesn't mean this weird anthropomorphization of AI is something I want to do. If I wanted to be a manager, I would be a manager.

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> i'm not sure why people expect agents to one shot everything to perfection with just a prompt.

because that's how agents are marketed.

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we should exercise critical thinking then

heaps of people on this site expect them to be omnipotent then claim it’s fake when it doesn’t read minds

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You’re right — people really should think critically, but the issue remains, that many do not.
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I've never seen model providers marketing like that. What examples have you seen?
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Literally any coding agent marking material:

- https://cognition.com/

- https://openai.com/index/introducing-the-codex-app/

- https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-3-7-sonnet

anthropic specifically brags about how good claude code is every annoucement of a new model. I will surrender that none of them claim its "to perfection", but IMO its implied because no one would claim that their model one-shots any issue to dog shit quality.

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- https://openai.com/index/introducing-the-codex-app/

no where does this document suggest that codex can "one shot everything to perfection with just a prompt". It describes using a prompt plus agent skills (which are essentially many other prompts) to develop a playable game.. nothing about it being perfect or anything more than being in a playable state.

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Oh please, you sound so disingenuous, the claim wasn’t that the documents contained a specific phrase. You’re moving the goal posts. Their name is literally a play on anthropomorphising the models, such as… the ceo going on tv shows and repeatedly saying the models may be conscious and they may start nuclear wars, etc.
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Seems like motte and bailey fallacy. They say their models are good (the motte), therefore their models must one-shot everything to perfection (the bailey).

Besides, other people's claims about something doesn't give you license to abandon all critical thinking. Though it's evident they don't claim what you say they are.

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That's irrelevant. Questions was why people assume somthing, and answer is because that's how it advertised.

To be clear that's not what I'm thinking, even Fable 5 produces some hilariously bad results under some conditions and sonnet 5 produced great results under others.

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> because that's how it advertised.

But you didn't provide the evidence for that. You shared some links and then admitted they didn't claim it.

It kinda seems like "because I think they're a little too positive about their product, I can set my expectations to anything I want and la-la-la it's their fault."

And I don't see the problem with agents building test scaffolding as they go. It might be too defensive at times, like testing a shell script you don't run often, but big deal. It's kinda cool imo, and it's trivial to make it stop.

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I don't really think they advertise "Create your app idea in one weekend night" and assume the general public will mentally add "... but hire an experienced developer to supervise the process".
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> i'm not sure why people expect agents to one shot everything to perfection with just a prompt.

Every time you see a benchmark for "how long the agent can go without asking for human intervention", that's encouraging vibe coding.

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> i'm not sure why people expect agents to one shot everything to perfection with just a prompt.

because that's the end goal? and for simple small stuff they're already there?

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I can one shot a prompt if I write down a nice spec file, Claude can do a lot in one shot. I test it every few months. With enough detail Claude will know what to do.
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> i'm not sure why people expect agents to one shot everything to perfection with just a prompt.

They do often enough that it's not a surprising event, depending on prompt quality, context available, ability for the result to be objectively judged and iterate on by the agent, etc. For frontiers on very high settings at least.

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If you explicitly ask the agent to make the perfect architecture for the problem and write it down in to a spec and have the developer agents follow it they will. Its just that coding agents have a hard time coding at think about architecture at the same time.
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