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by Johnny_Bonk13 hours ago |
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upvoteby throwaway203713 hours ago|
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I am starting to see this lazy response pattern on HN. Someone makes a reasonable comment, then a responder pops-up like a whack-a-mole to say little more than: "That's not true." or "That's still bad." ... while offering no evidence to their claim, nor any reasonable alternative. I think that it adds so little to the conversation. And specific to the comment, they even used the Holy Grail of annoying Internet argument tendencies: "actually".
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upvoteby skinfaxi12 hours ago|
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Compared to throwing bombs in the water?
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upvoteby red-iron-pine12 hours ago|
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depends on how big the net is. some of those huge trawllers do lots and lots of damage.

tempeh can be crazy toxic if spoilt. there is coconut tempeh which is officially banned due to potential for toxic contamination, but which is still super popular -- and routinely kills a couple of people every year.

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upvoteby fc417fc80210 hours ago|
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I'm curious. Do you mean spoiled during the production process (ie was inedible to begin with) or spoiled in storage (ie was edible at time of purchase)?
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upvoteby dkbrk7 hours ago|
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Either can happen. The root cause is growth of Burkholderia gladioli [0] on certain foods rich in specific fatty acids, which include coconut and corn. This can happen during the fermentation process of fermented coconut and corn products if there's Burkholderia gladioli contamination and the pH, salinity and temperature aren't controlled to prevent its growth, but it is also possible for Burkholderia gladioli to contaminate food containing coconut or corn after it has been produced and produce bongkrek acid while it is being stored (e.g. [1], which is where I first learned about this).

Bongkrek acid [2] is odorless, tasteless and is not destroyed by cooking. Food can show no signs of spoilage and contain a lethal dose, though fermented products that were contaminated during production might show differences in color, texture and smell if the Burkholderi out-competed the normal fermentation process.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkholderia_gladioli

[1]: https://youtu.be/yXnSYfv6bCA?si=7DTW4J0ahMoWUuLd

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bongkrek_acid

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempeh#Tempe_bongkr%C3%A8k

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upvoteby nomel8 hours ago|
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Since fermentation is involved, I don't think there's a clear line between the two.
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upvoteby tclancy13 hours ago|
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Think you might be casting too wide a net there. It certainly can be.
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upvoteby lightedman12 hours ago|
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Which sort of net casting? I grew up with a hand-case 8ft diameter net. I'll guarantee you that's a billion times more sustainable than a trawler.
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