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Not OP, but a decades-long Mac user. Removing CLI tools over the years would be one way, though I run Homebrew and have everything I want or need. That doesn't change that scripting is less useful on a fleet of devices.

Also, the UI has been in decline for a decade or so, with the regrettable decisions under Alan Dye. Thankfully, Zuck poached him and we're all grateful for that. I mean, what they've done to our icons is tragic, the glyphs in the menus was intern-level boneheaded, and reduction of contrast to "get out of the way" of our content has made everything less usable, especially for people with vision issues.

A bug that I filed about window-ordering when using the Cmd-` / Shift-Cmd-` shortcuts has been live since 2010 without getting fixed, though an industrious HN user posted a link to the background utility they made to fix it themselves[0].

0: https://github.com/tacomanator/sash

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100% I wish Alan and Meta well. I look at what happened to System Preferences (I mean Settings) and it’s a disaster. Some apps have title bars and many don’t (AppleTV). Just trying to enjoy Apple Music is so painful compared to the old iTunes. I am struggling to enjoy my Mac as much as I did during the M1 transition when I thought finally they got rid of the HW bottlenecks brought by Jony like the dreaded MacBook keyboard and touch bar. Not the greatest hardware. But, now the software experience is so subpar, especially the HI (I mean UX).
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I really like what they did with the MBP redesign, reminds me of the PowerBook G4 Titanium aesthetic. The hardware to me is great, but the OS has gone very downhill. If I had a Snow Leopard era-ish build of OSX + modern security I would be perfectly happy. Settings.app is a disaster, same goes for recent iOS versions.

Apple Music must have been written by an intern or outsourced, how can you have a music playing app crash and do a System Report just by hitting the previous song button.

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> Removing CLI tools over the years would be one way

They are avoiding GPL3 licensed software and some GPL2 software are getting outdated.

That's why they didn't upgrade bash3 to bash4 , and replaced rsync with openrsync

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An example of deterioration:

Jeff Goldblum's 30 second "Presenting three easy steps to the internet" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjY0xsoozs8

And now when you want to set up a fresh Mac it's a parade of dialogue boxes:

Do you want to turn on Siri? No. (the dialogue-choice is probably "maybe later" ugh)

Do you want to share app analytics with developers? Yes.

Do you want to add Touch ID? No, because I'm setting this up for someone else.

There are more!

I gave those examples -- each of which having a different answer or reason -- to show that the problem of onboarding is nontrivial, but Apple has spent no(?) effort toward fixing it. It's the same for new iPhones and iPads.

NB I don't know if you sign into your Apple account it pre-answers these questions. That'd be nice.

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"There's no step three!" -- I can hear his voice in my head.

But the Goldblum phrase I really try to keep alive is thinking jail, as in "What is beige? It's not even a color. Were they in thinking jail?" I often remark out loud when I realize I have been in thinking jail on a subject.

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No, all those dialogs are there with Apple account sign-in as well. Maybe even more, since they might want to upsell you on something along the way (Can't remember, haven't bought a new phone in almost 3 years)
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Just as bad in Windows land.
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My "favorite"?

When you install Chrome, which you cannot accidentally do, and when you set it as the OS browser default, which you also cannot accidentally do...

... the next time you launch Safari, it will say that the default browser has been changed, "Did you mean to do that?" and of the two options presented ("Keep using Chrome" or "Switch back to Safari") the Safari option will be the default.

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Not OP, but I have been using an M1 pro Mac Book since release. It's not sluggish in any way whatsoever.
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I find macOS to be sluggish when it comes to opening apps. But it's not a deterioration, it's just always been like that.

That's my experience on M4 Mac Mini and M3 MacBook Air.

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Same, I bought it with the justification that this would be future proofed for 4-5 years. Nearly 5 years later with daily usage, it's not limping along, the battery isn't on its last legs, it's doing great. My impulsive side is annoyed that I don't have a justification to buy the next latest and greatest.

Is it amazing for LLM stuff? No, but that's the same story for anyone else _not_ spending boatloads, or willing to hack on weird mining cards.

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I have a nice M2 and a Linux box ... I do enjoy the looks of the Mac, but I never find myself reaching for it. A modern Linux box is just so much more useful, especially when you live in the backend dev / K8S world where Linux is the assumed foundation.
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I have an M5 pro at work, and certain things are a smidge faster than my personal M1 Max, but they're pretty close overall.

Given how much more you can get buying used versus new, I'd go used unless there's some feature/characteristic only the new hardware has.

Having said that, I could see stuff slowing down over time with OS updates/etc. I've had my M1 air for a while, and some UI stuff was slower after specific updates (I think glass in particular).

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Same, although my M1 pro has only 16 GB of RAM and that does seem to slow it down a bit with my current usage. I recently bought a used Mac Studio M2 Max with 64 GB RAM and it's much faster, both subjectively and objectively by looking at how long it takes to run the full test suite of the Rails app I'm working on.
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Same. I have an M1 Pro (personal use) and a M3 Max. Whenever I do side projects on my M1 Pro it feels nearly identical.
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If you have not tried it this is an absolute game changer for Mac users moving to Linux. https://github.com/RedBearAK/toshy

I've been running it for 3 years now. I am so macpilled that I had to install it on my new Framework 13 pro.

The Mac muscle memory was always my biggest hurdle with Linux. I always felt handicapped by it. But Toshy eliminates that.

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Nice. I've also found, through that, kinto.sh which is apparently the equivalent for Windows.

As a recent Mac-> Windows switcher for work, my productivity has nosedived partially for keybinding confusion. For instance, I instinctively reach for Option+Arrow keys to jump the cursor over words, which mapped onto the Windows keyboard is Windows->Arrow, which moves the whole window around the desktop into predefined positions. Cool feature, but my muscle memory for the other thing means I'm always screwing up window position (and never thinking to use it on purpose).

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That is amusing because to me one of the largest abominations about mac is the keyboard layout and mappings. It's terrible for anyone with decent sized hands to accomplish anything of even medium complexity.
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I'm not a fan myself but needing to only memorize one set of commands and keyboard shortcuts is plus for sure. It's one of the biggest annoyances when switching between operating systems.
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IT is a bit of a journey (as is life). I started off with a ZX80 kit and some bluetac ...

I've lost count of how many interfaces I've had to fenangle to get a job done. For 20 odd years I rocked Gentoo as my daily driver but my lap can't take the heat any more. Wifey gets Arch and I've settled on Ubuntu for a simple life.

Embarrassingly enough, I had to get a "child" to explain to me how to get a wine dispenser to work, recently 8)

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The latest version of Ubuntu works great. They've come such a long way, it actually feels comfortable recommending Linux to beginners now.

Here's to hoping they don't turn into Microsoft one day.

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Do you take issue with wrapping your thumb under your palm to hit command/option, or is it something else?
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I wonder if the dislike comes from using third-party keyboards with excessively wide spacebars that make the modifier keys genuinely hard to reach with a thumb.
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20 years of mac use has me feeling severely handicapped without it.
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