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by tgma1 hours ago |
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upvoteby Bnjoroge1 hours ago|
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How is using CPT for a summer internship circumventing program pf study? To get CPT, the experience has to related to your degree, not just a random job. And you can only do it in over school breaks
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upvoteby tgma1 hours ago|
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Reading the article it explicitly says if CPT is designed as part of your program of study that you need to complete to satisfy the degree requirements, they are fine. They just won't approve it for optional internships. That's what Optional Practical Training is explicitly intended for, Optional.

And no, to be clear, you are totally mistaken about "school break" thing. In fact, you have to be enrolled in credits to get CPT, not on a full break (this is in no way a new rule.)

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upvoteby stickfigure1 hours ago|
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How prevalent is that kind of abuse? Quantify it. I am sketpical.
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upvoteby tgma1 hours ago|
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Not sure what you mean by "abuse" or what you are skeptical of? Please clarify what stats are you looking for?
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upvoteby sampullman1 hours ago|
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You said "They are simply not encouraged to circumvent their program of study and go to work under the guise of "CPT.""

This implies that you are familiar with the system and aware of how it's abused, so presumably you can provide some evidence.

I wasn't aware of any during my time there, but my personal experience doesn't necessarily mean it didn't/hasn't happened.

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upvoteby tgma1 hours ago|
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I ask because I did not use the term "abuse," as that's subjective. Circumvent was picked precisely because it was a clear run around the intent of the program, without the value judgement.

The keyword is "Day 1 CPT" if you want to learn about the abuse.

Certain colleges basically knowingly wink wink and allow incoming students to go immediately work under CPT.

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upvoteby sampullman9 minutes ago|
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I know what "Day 1 CPT" means and am specifically curious about real abuse of the system at Cal.

In my opinion, it would have to be obvious and fairly extreme to take action over, because there are issues that dwarf whatever impact it might have, the top one being bureaucratic bloat. If 90% of the non-teaching/researching staff at Berkeley were replaced with CPT abusers, I think it would be a net positive.

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upvoteby tgma1 minutes ago|
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Yes, I agree that at any of these top universities, the egregious cases are not that likely. However, I do think they still did not due proper diligence and were reliant on students to basically take a unit and handed out I-20s to go work at their desired workplace with little supervision or specificity in being defensibly related the program of study, thus they never really developed the machinery to truly vet. They are now being cautious so as to not accidentally lose their SEVIS permission over such a relatively small thing. My guess is the degree programs themselves will start incorporating more formal work experience similar to Canada, as the primary or an alternative path to satisfy degree reqs. This would make a much more robust justification for the student and the international office.
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upvoteby amazingman21 minutes ago|
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Can you quantify the scale of it or not?
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upvoteby tgma14 minutes ago|
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Not for you. Go ask your LLM that way, bitch.
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upvoteby ipython53 minutes ago|
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Elon Musk, for one. Maybe not the same program but came as a j1 student visa then promptly left to work on startups.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/28/us/elon-musk-immigration-wash...

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