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as another non-native speaker, i think that while the person you're answering to didn't use the default way of expressing this in the english-speaking world, i did understand what they meant, i think they do know what opting means and i think the reasoning is this: when they say data collection is "opt in" by default they mean that by choosing to use a product, you are opting into your data being collected (at the same time). on the other hand, native speakers saying something is "opt out" describes the options or toggles one has available in the default case - when something is toggled "true", you (only) have the choice to toggle it of. so english speakers talk about the controls one has to CHANGE the status quo.

by kzrdude14 hours ago|

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As another non-native speaker, I misunderstood what the person meant.

by brendoelfrendo15 hours ago|

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They said "opt in to training on prompts by default," which is coherent English and perfectly fine. The phrases "opt in" and "opt out" will always be contextual based on what is being opted, so it really falls to the reader to pay attention to that context. Please don't give English language advice as though you are an authority; there is not a rule of the English language that would make their usage unacceptable.

by F3nd012 hours ago|

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Since the whole idea of ‘opt in’ is choosing to do something, the only reasonable interpretation of ‘opt in by default’ is that the default state requires you to make the choice yourself. However I try to bend my brain, sing the term ‘opt in’ for the exact opposite makes no sense whatsoever.

Note that I’m not using English grammar as my argument; human language (and English especially) has plenty of exceptions and expressions which make little sense, and if people were to adopt this phrasing en masse, it would naturally become a part of the language, whether it makes sense or not. My argument is that adopting this phrasing is a terrible, user-hostile decision and in my honest opinion we really, really, really ought to avoid it.

by PotatoPrime1 hours ago|

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I read it as though he was trying to say '[you are] opt[ed] in by default'.

Now granted, he did not say that, and I only reached that conclusion by the rest of this conversation, but I think to have meant that and said '... was now also opt-in by default...' isn't unreasonable.

Just sharing since you mentioned you couldn't see how using that term for the opposite would make sense.

by mikebenfield13 hours ago|

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I find the usage bizarre and confusing, as others also clearly do. There’s nothing wrong with pointing this out.

by TulliusCicero7 hours ago|

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> They said "opt in to training on prompts by default," which is coherent English and perfectly fine.

No, it's really not. It should read "opted in to training on prompts by default".

"Opt in" means "you have to affirmatively turn this thing on". "Opted in" means "the thing is currently enabled".

Which is why it's probably better to write it as "enabled by default". Much harder to misinterpret.